EVE General Discussion

If you are stupid enough to do these things you should not be suprised that bad things happen to you.

Miners and PVEers are moral, God fearing men that everyone should look up to. The just want to play "Everyone vs Everyone" in peace.

Gankers are degenerates that go against the very fibre of this GAME which was obviously created for everyone to mimic the daily real life. Going to work, paying taxes, being a good law abiding citizen.

And effectively destroy what makes EVE so unique. One universe, one server, where everyone can interact with everyone, aka the Sandbox.

Not quite true.

The problem is that PvEers think they're not imposing anything on others (most likely because in most games, they don't), whereas in EVE, they do. Everything they do — ever ISK they spawn, every mineral they mine, every complex they hunt down — has an effect on the game world and everyone within it. When they then want to make changes so they can do all of that “in peace”, they are effectively saying “we want to be able to affect you, but you shouldn't be allowed to affect us back.”

As EVE is currently designed, it is impossible not to PvP, and disconnecting the (apparent, but not really) PvE parts from the PvP bits would break things immensely. Splitting the game simply doesn't really work, because the PvE side would instantly implode under its own lack of dynamics.
It also requires for (mainly) the PvEers to understand what kind of game it is they're playing: one where they are indeed part of the war machine, and thus valid targets; one where their actions have a profound impact on everyone else; one where everyone else's actions have a profound impact on them; and a game where the kinds of walls they would prefer to see simply can't be built or there would be nothing left for them to do…

If they want to see how a PvE EVE would work, they can stop logging in to TQ and start to play on Sisi instead — see if it's really the kind of game world they want to live in: one where nothing they do has any meaning or effect, or is even needed.
No, it is not. It just lacks a qualifier: multiplayer sandbox — a place where we all have the same tools to build the same sand castle, and there is a limited amount of sand (and spades, and buckets) to do it with. Trying to split it up would indeed ruin that sandbox.

Nice try. It is very relevant because what you are suggesting would destroy what EVE is, a big multiplayer sandbox.
The term might be overused but thats because people like you are trying to destroy it.

Dooon't worry everyone! They will never get rid of highsec ganking! They might make it a little harder to do but that is just CCP doing their balance thing. I don't really mind the people who say ganking needs to be harder, even if I do disagree with them. But all the people who sound like they are talking down on people who attack PvE players and miners... I think they might have a few screws loose ;D if you know what I mean.

There are already tons of games that are for people who want an easy sit, click, do not think, and kill AI, but EVE isn't based around that. Mining and PvE exist to further PvP! By killing miners and PvEers you are just eliminating potential competition! :D

There are a lot of entitled sounding new people though, and entitled people are annoying >:O Yes I am aware that I am also saying we are entitled to PvP but that is what the game has been about since its creation. You can say "the player base has changed" but all that really sounds like is "CCP please sell out and be like every other generic MMO so you can make more money."

Just mine in the Ferox if you are afraid ;D Nothing can stop that guy!

…and they worked because they were designed that way. EVE was not and cannot be converted into one (well… not a meaningful one, at least) without a complete redesign from the ground up, effectively making it a completely new and completely different game — i.e. not EVE.
…much like that, yes. They did the same thing the PvE-ers are trying to do: rejigger a game designed for a different purpose after the fact, which just doesn't work.
EVE is a sandbox for everyone. It is this for a simple reason: because there are no PvE players — just players who are unaware that they are, in fact, PvPing.

NO. Griefing is against the EULA. Ganking is part of the game.



Either you have all been trolled or are all stupid bigmouths. Wouldn't be surprised if this one hits 30 pages.

I see there a very good reason to make high sec like null, no Concord and only like null sec alliance politics. Would like to see all those "ubber" carebears tears fill my cup.

My OP has been edited accordingly. Thank you.