EVE New Citizens Q&A

In rookie chat I've read about a lot of very new folks who got killed by dueling. Apparently they thought it was similar to fantasy MMOs where there is no real harm done. Of course they're being preyed upon by more experienced people who know better. Now while I agree that it's all part of the learning curve, I think it is absolutely wrong that someone could accept a duel with their safety setting enabled to Green. The whole point of that setting was to protect mostly new players from doing something they didn't understand that would cause their destruction. I think the green security setting should not allow a player to accept a duel or at least give them a warning that accepting such action could result in the loss of their ship and its contents and even their death.

These are the folks I'm talking about. I agree with you that once you leave the starter systems you are on your own. If CCP really frowns on new guys being taken advantage of, then at least informing them that there are consequences to a duel would be appropriate rather than telling them to file petitions.

It's simple really. In the box that comes up when you are offerend a duel, a warning line on the bottom could read: By accepting this duel you are at risk of losing your ship, its contents, and even your life. You could even include a checkbox to remove the warning.

The safety system is there to prevent someone from doing something that will gain then suspect (green) or criminal (green or yellow) status, not to prevent them from doing something that could lead to their destruction. If the latter was true, green would prevent anyone in a wardecced corp or alliance from undocking, which is obviously not the case.

If someone says 'yes' to something they don't understand, that's the fault of the person saying yes, not a system that allows it.

Now, considering that there are at least two points in the career agents where you lose your ship and all contents, it should be clear to anyone that getting killed involves losing your ship and all its contents. If they're not sure, they can always ask in chat (npc corp or rookie help) first.

This.

With your idea of how the safety system should work it should also prevent you from jumping into lowsec or null.

The safety setting is used to prevent suspect/criminal flagging...and a dual is neither of those so working as intended.
EVE is a decade old. Plenty of information to be found and plenty of other people to ask.

it doesn't? huh...

The fact is, there is no real harm done. The great thing about this game is that everything is replaceable. Especially when you are very new, unless you spent all your money on PLEX to buy some ludicrous special edition ship, then dueled with it, anything you lose should be replaceable with only a few hours of play at most. Remember - you are an immortal capsuleer, and there are as many ways to make isk as you can dream up.

EVE is meant to be a cold, harsh, essentially free-for-all PvP game. Read - Everybody Versus Everybody. It is best if new players start out understanding that, or learn it very quickly, before their minds can be poisoned by all the cowards out there advocating for more and more safety in high sec.

Before you accept the duel, you are told what happens. If you lose a rookie ship (if it really is the newbies) then who cares? Other than that, like everything else in this game, lesson learnt.

The safety is there to prevent you from doing things that might give you a criminal flag or get your CONCORD'd. It protects against you killing yourself because you fat fingered or mis-clicked. It also make public incursion groups viable by removing tactics that make repping anyone you don't completely trust in High-sec impossible.

The important point though is it is there to prevent accidents. It is there to prevent you being blown up by doing things you did not intend to do. It is not there to safe you from your own mistakes. The game should never stop you from making a willful choice to do something.

One thing I might support though, for the protection of newbies, is defaulting 'ignore duel requests' to on.