Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i dunno about this. we've seen carriers melt under the alpha of maelstroms and nado's in null sec. i know my carrier can have a pretty stout tank and they were melting them in seconds.

as i stated in another post, i dont think they need the sacrilege resists, but the abso would be nice. a little lower, and less base armor/weight. more speed and maybe a burner bonus or something.

EHP yes, Resists no.

we have had this discussion hakam.
whats the difference between giving a ship 10k armor with 20% resists and giving a ship 6k armor and xx% resists if the EHP is the same? one needs to heal alot more than the other, but they have the same survivability.
i am NOT saying keep the same ammount of armor, quite the opposite. same EHP tho.


i forgot a huge factor, tht huge azz sig radius. its the same hull as an apoc, why the 500m sig radius? it doesnt have electronics to justify the extra sig, it has it to gimp it further. so whats the point in having extra armor if you get hit accidentally by a stay bullet shot at your friend because you happened to be so damn big?

FINALLY! someone with some reasoning skills.
the abby had 8 mega pulse II's-same as the paly (4x2)
lots of armor-same as paly
+5% bonus to damage-same as paly
descent radar strength- paly has 1/2 of this
damn good resists-paly is WAY lower

so, the paladin gets 1/2 as many guns with no cap bonus, so this is like shooting 8 guns with 50% bonus to cap. so it saves there where as the abby burns through cap.

the paly has a HEFTY price tag-the abby is 1/4 the price

ok..ooo000oo the paly gets a tractor bonus...thats a game breaker

for a ship that takes bs 5 to train and then a rank 5 in a 10x skill to get the same damage bonus as a t1 ship, then still have less than 50% of the resists and all other things being the same?
the paladin is less of a ship than an abaddon, has a 4x price tag, 10x training multiplier once you MAX OUT the aby skill.
give it the aby resists, give it the 4 x2 weapons (they will still be = in power at this point)
then give it scan bonuses (another game breaker) and a few of the things mentioned above and it would be a fun ship.
i have been involved with melting abaddons its NOT that difficult.

i also mentioned, reducing the paladins base armor value in favor of resists (same EHP), and giving it a speed bonus to make it just right for quick strikes. skirmish warfare (hit and run). get in, pop a few ships, get out...not the "stand and deliever" mentality.

when compared side by side to the abaddon, the paladin falls short. those who think those resists will just be too much are just being pig headed and trolling.

You clearly have never seen two Paladins in action... Marauders aren't perfect, but they sure are amazing ships for PVE.

a marauder should be fast and agil...its designed to go into deep enemy lines and wreak havoc.


i think the marauder is the perfect platform to introduce this. you would see atleast 1 in every plex, wh, or anywhere else scanning is needed. thats EXACTLY what this ship is for...all in 1 pve ship. find it, kill it, loot it, salvage it, move on.
we need 1 ship we can go into wh space with. not have to erect a pos, bring in a probe ship, bring in a marauder, scan the site down and bm it, then switch ships to fight. this would eleminate the need for poses for the average person who goes in. and having to tote multiple ships and worry when you eject that someone might find your boat while u are fighting rats.

never have to leave, u scan, fight, pillage, plunder, and head onto the next wm with all the loot in that phat belly of theirs.

and 2 paladins working together would be nice. i have wanted to run a paly group for a while just to see the ammount of reps in a given situation. all the damage and can STILL run 2 remote reppers and something else?

a scan bonus and better sensor str would fix em for now until they get reworked...

A Marauder should be able to run away from a full squad but not destroy them... They should be able to tank I'd say at least 3 tackle frigates and 2 battle cruisers (not talking about glass cannons) for about 5 to 10min before going pop all the while not being able to fight back if so much as one griffin is on the field. So relatively safe to engage but really squirmy to catch with all of its evasion bonuses and warp stab+.

Should be seeing the separation of pve and pvp jamming or something to it's equivalent. Like normalizing its sensor strength but make all the ecm boats have a massive bonus against marauders.

Well, i am damn glad to see so much perfect ideas. We (marauder's pilots) are loyal EVE players (this vessels demands so long time skills,) and CCP must hear our voices.
My thoughts:
First of all i complleetly agree that snsor weakness must be removed, all marauders must have posibility to fit any types of their racial weapons without wasting upgrades on CPU/PG, more EHP and tank then T1 BS, more drone posibilities, probably +1 to each slot group.
Here is one more aspect - pirat BS have one more advantage in comparison with marauders - more rigs. Personnaly i think that CCP must allow all T2 ships to fit 3 rigs. Old idea "T2 ships are specialized, they have two bonus skills instead of single bonus skill of T1 ship, so T2 will be overpowered" does not workanymore. T3 ships have 6 bonus skills and 3 rig slots.

It's obviously ridiculous situatation - you must spend much more time to train this ships in comparison with pirat BSs and for what? CCP ruined clear PVE role of marauders bringing Noctis in to the game.

Now the main question - what next? My opinion that marauders must be suitable in PvP. Then it will be a good PvE exploration/mission running ship not only in high secs, but in places like Wh, low and null secs.
Personnaly i've experience with Palladin only,but after it's destruction from offwar Machariel i've changed my mission boat to Navy armagedon. It is fitted with beams and drones, total DPS much higher, f...ing NPC EWAR is not so important. And what for i spend my skill points from old learning skills (i've chnged my learnings sp on the marauder skill)?
Personnly i want to see this Palladin
- +1 to low, medium and rig slots
- adding +2 warp strenght
- increase basic armor resists or change armor rep bonus to the 7,5 % per level to all resists
- adding pg, cpu, drone bay and drone bandwidht points

Also, another marauders needed to each race (hurrah to the black torpedo abadon!)

How about this?

Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus: 15% bonus to torpedo velocity, 7.5% bonus to torpedo explosion velocity, 7.5% decreased factor of torpedo signature radius per level of skill per level

Marauders Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount and 7.5% bonus to effectiveness of target painters per level

Role Bonus: 100% bonus to torpedo damage, 50% reduction in afterburner capacitor needs

With the huge skill sink that a marauder needs, it should be the 'go between' a sub cap battleship and capital ships.
Considering it is meant to be a 'lone-wolf' as some people have mentioned it should, in theory, be able to hold its own long enough to cyno in support, tank and dps anything it comes across.

I say increase the drone bay, sensor strength, EHP and resistance but remove the TP bonus and add 7.5% decrease per marauder level to cyno cycle and have jump drives plus a fuel bay like a black OPS/Titans as an optional skill on the class*. Increase the size of the ship to reflect it's 'status' and make it's mass greater to reflect it so that it's alignment time take a little longer.

This way it can fulfill the 'Juggernaut' roll for subcaps and something to train if you are looking into Capitals in the near future.

Now it isn't a replacement to black ops just because of the jump drive (this is an optional ability) because this class is NOT going to warp around

*not a pre-requisite to learning the skill book.

Just my thought on make the class more unique tis all.. don't flame me!