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Unforgiven Storm for CSM 8 - Industrialist

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Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2013-03-31 00:34:58 UTC
I've made a new Post: The CSM Election Circus

enjoy

Unforgiven Storm for CSM 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. (If I don't get in in the next 5 years I will quit trying) :-)

Arydanika
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#62 - 2013-03-31 15:31:04 UTC
Congratulations reaching the qualifying number of endorsements and good luck on the final ballot. It's going to be a very interesting election this year and it's just getting started.

Thank you for appearing on the second Voices from the Void CSM 8 candidate panel. It was a n insightful discussion and your participation is appreciated. Your current and future supporters can find the episode by going to this link. It was a pleasure to have you on the Voices podcast and I hope to have you back again soon. Good luck in the upcoming final election.

Runner of Voices from the Void podcast, Eve Online Pod Pack & DJ on eve-radio.com Sundays at 1800.  Organizer of the ATX Eve Online Meet. ♥

Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-04-01 08:13:27 UTC
Unforgiven Storm wrote:
...If you live of PI, Moon Mining and reactions, if you set up an invention POS and live of research and T2 invention, if you manufacture something: I’m the perfect candidate for you to vote for, I know and share your problems. I will fight for you, I will fight for us and our common interests!...
I listened to your interview on crossing zebras... you do sound like someone who will advocate on behave on industrialists. I will bring your interview to the attention of people in my corp and alliance. Good luck.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-04-01 11:17:09 UTC
Unforgiven Storm will be on my recommended ballot.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery

Frying Doom
#65 - 2013-04-02 03:13:28 UTC
At this time I would like to ask the candidates to think carefully about any endorsements that they give.

By putting other candidates on your ballot you are effectively giving them any excess votes you may have if you become elected or all of your votes if you are knocked out of the election.

So the choice of who you endorse and in what order you endorse them on your proposed ballot is very important.

Remember that these people are voting for you and a lot of people will rely on your proposed ballot.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2013-04-02 10:22:00 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
At this time I would like to ask the candidates to think carefully about any endorsements that they give.

By putting other candidates on your ballot you are effectively giving them any excess votes you may have if you become elected or all of your votes if you are knocked out of the election.

So the choice of who you endorse and in what order you endorse them on your proposed ballot is very important.

Remember that these people are voting for you and a lot of people will rely on your proposed ballot.


Personally I will endorse a few people that I think are will be excellent CSM Members and will help this game become better.

I'm not going to suggest an order and this list is my personal list, not something I want others to follow blindly.

I think that everybody should have free will and should choose its candidates and the order they want them in their list and not follow other people lists just because. One thing I hate is having people tell me what to do, I like to think for myself.

I like to read what others have to say, who they endorse and why. Most of the times they raise issues I missed, sometimes those opinions clarify issues I have. They bring to the table different perspectives that helps me build a better and more complete opinion about candidates and that is always good.

The final word about who to put in the list and the order belongs to the voter not the candidate they support in first place.

Unforgiven Storm for CSM 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. (If I don't get in in the next 5 years I will quit trying) :-)

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#67 - 2013-04-03 10:17:39 UTC
Today CCP announced the list of planned POS iterations for Odyssey.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/odyssey-summer-expansion-starbase-iterations

These are changes clearly pointed at the wormhole community and the industrialist community is once again ignored and have to wait until the next Expansion.

Maybe In The Next Expansion™

I’m sorry but I’m not going to share the joy and go to the party tonight.

This is why we need an Industrialist in the CSM to help level out these fixes when they happen and help spread the love for all types of game play.

These changes are pretty underwhelming for an industrialist and anyone who says the contrary never moon mined, done reactions or refined anything in a POS his entire life!

The industrialists only get one fix, they will be able to access any array inside the shield. All other main problems that the industrialists have, still remain to be addressed, for example:


  • The fact we have to disconnect silos every time we need to access them. When can someone fix this and spare us all the clicking?
  • The refining arrays suck. When can the penalties be removed? When the UI and functionality can be improved?
  • The advanced ship assembly arrays sucks. When can the penalties be removed so we can manufacture hulls in a POS?
  • Where is the moon mining and reactions UI fixes? For example where can I have an Apply button that changes color when I
  • have changes that aren’t applied or when can I get a warning if I try to leave this window without applying the changes? Also when can I have different signs and colors when I have silos or reactors online / offline?
  • Where is a centralized input / output hangar for labs? Why can the tower be the central access location for all hangars, and the modules just increase the available size?

I don’t ask for much for the summer expansion, just these bare minimum fixes, so we, the Industrialists, aren’t once again discriminated for one more expansion.

Unforgiven Storm for CSM 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. (If I don't get in in the next 5 years I will quit trying) :-)

Madeline Amelana
Mixotroph Industry and Tech.
Invisible Exchequer
#68 - 2013-04-03 10:41:52 UTC
I have a quick question, which I hope you do not think is rude, because that is by no means the intention of it.

As you are through to the next round, where we have to select a number of candidates based on our order of preference, I was wondering if you could clarify the following for me:

You stated that you are a non-bloc candidate, and I realise you are running as an independent, however, you are a member of Goonswarm Federation, and as such, have the potential to be included on their bloc listing.

I intend to vote so that the non-bloc candidates which I support have the highest listings on my preferences (In all honesty, there are not many industrial candidates, so you will be fairly near the top either way), so I was wondering if you could let us know whether you are aware if you are on the bloc-voting list. I know there are many many null focused candidates, so it could be that you are way down their listing due to your lower focus on PvP/Sov.

I apologise for the crappy way in which I am phrasing this question, but, basically, I want to ensure that my votes are as useful as possible, and if you are already a shoe-in, then whilst I will still have you fairly high on my list, I would prefer my first few place votes to go to others, so that we get the most versatile CSM possible.

This sounds like I am not going to vote for you, that is not the case, I very much like your platform, but want to ensure the other indy or new player or whatever non-pvp/SOV candidates get a decent look-in.

God I suck at posting.

Thanks in advance for your answer,

Madeline
Apricot Baby
caldariprimeponyclub
#69 - 2013-04-03 10:43:24 UTC
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Goodluck!

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Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#70 - 2013-04-03 12:14:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Unforgiven Storm
Madeline Amelana wrote:
I have a quick question, which I hope you do not think is rude, because that is by no means the intention of it.

As you are through to the next round, where we have to select a number of candidates based on our order of preference, I was wondering if you could clarify the following for me:

You stated that you are a non-bloc candidate, and I realise you are running as an independent, however, you are a member of Goonswarm Federation, and as such, have the potential to be included on their bloc listing.

I intend to vote so that the non-bloc candidates which I support have the highest listings on my preferences (In all honesty, there are not many industrial candidates, so you will be fairly near the top either way), so I was wondering if you could let us know whether you are aware if you are on the bloc-voting list. I know there are many many null focused candidates, so it could be that you are way down their listing due to your lower focus on PvP/Sov.

I apologize for the crappy way in which I am phrasing this question, but, basically, I want to ensure that my votes are as useful as possible, and if you are already a shoe-in, then whilst I will still have you fairly high on my list, I would prefer my first few place votes to go to others, so that we get the most versatile CSM possible.

This sounds like I am not going to vote for you, that is not the case, I very much like your platform, but want to ensure the other indy or new player or whatever non-pvp/SOV candidates get a decent look-in.

God I suck at posting.

Thanks in advance for your answer,

Madeline

I don't have access or talk with leadership of my alliance. Any information I have is by talking with one of my corp directors, he is my point of contact when I have questions. I only talk with him 3 times about my candidacy, one was when I decided to run, I didn't want to cause a problem to my corp so I ask them if it was ok, if the alliance will not create them problems.

I got the green light, I was told that my alliance didn't care about me I can do whatever I wanted but I was on my own, I cannot use the alliance name or count on them for nothing.

Second contact was last week, my director contact me and told me there was going to be created a NULL sec list and I had no place on it, I wasn't an official null sec candidate and The Mittani hates industrialists, he even post that 2 days ago:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/88

Quote:
Ignore Industrialists: In an alliance or corporation, industrialists are completely irrelevant and should never be allowed a voice in anything. Sound extreme? It isn’t. An industrialist is not a logistician, but a ‘producer’. Producers live in hisec in countless numbers, and anything that is built there can simply be imported from Jita with a jump freighter - by a logistician. Logisticians matter in alliances; so do financiers, diplomats, and most of all warriors. Producers do not. There has never been a war in the history of EVE which was won by an advantage in local production; the hobbits of ASCN believed their own propaganda and assured each other that production mattered, but they were crushed utterly by Band of Brothers. Take after the words of House Greyjoy: ‘We Do Not Sow’. Be particularly wary of capital/supercapital producers, who are often wealthy and consider themselves to be above alliance rules. Alliances have no need of ‘industrial wings’, ‘industrial directors’ - none of it.


My last contact was on 1st April, my director told me that the alliance wasn't supporting some 0.0 candidate for whatever reason and 1 spot between the 10 and 14th place in the list had open and they were considering putting me there to close the hole. Now I have to say I don't know if he as pulling a prank on me or not, but even if it is true, being in that spot, 10th or lower will make no difference...

If that happens I will not be in a position that gives me any vote at all.

I run as an independent, my alliance doesn't support me. My platform is industry, my love is industry, I want the best for all. I want to fight and defend industry in the CSM, I don't care if it is high-sec, low-sec or null-sec.

Unforgiven Storm for CSM 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. (If I don't get in in the next 5 years I will quit trying) :-)

Madeline Amelana
Mixotroph Industry and Tech.
Invisible Exchequer
#71 - 2013-04-03 12:19:19 UTC
Thank you for your very frank reply, it answers my query and concerns perfectly.

I look forward to voting for you very soon!
Bantara
Dolmite Cornerstone
#72 - 2013-04-03 14:58:38 UTC
Unforgiven Storm wrote:
I don't have access or talk with leadership of my alliance. Any information I have is by talking with one of my corp directors, he is my point of contact when I have questions. I only talk with him 3 times about my candidacy, one was when I decided to run, I didn't want to cause a problem to my corp so I ask them if it was ok, if the alliance will not create them problems.
(...)

Man, I know sov null-sec is serious spaceship biz, but I'd be f-ing leaving if I got devalued like that. Don't know why you put up with it.

Either way, industrialists *do* matter, they should have a voice, and I'm putting you somewhere in my top 2-5.
Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#73 - 2013-04-03 17:44:32 UTC
Unforgiven Storm wrote:
... and The Mittani hates industrialists, he even post that 2 days ago:
...

I run as an independent, my alliance doesn't support me. My platform is industry, my love is industry, I want the best for all. I want to fight and defend industry in the CSM, I don't care if it is high-sec, low-sec or null-sec.

You guys should put again a funky hat on Mittani, give him some alcohol and send him loose on the fanfest, so we can have some quality time again. I'm sure you will have a lot of votes from the big boys in your alliance and also from others in null sov just because null industry need some serious fixes. And I had read some very good ideas posted by goons regarding how to fix the null-low sec industry and I would love to see those ideas go live. Goons know stuff, maybe much better than others.
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#74 - 2013-04-03 17:53:30 UTC
By your reply in post 70 made me wonder why on earth you are in that alliance still?

As an industrialist you should be more than able to find a better home, or even go solo and socialize and network as an independent. If you end up with an actual seat on CSM your risking a sudden love shower of attention from you ralliance..

I was just wondering if you should not cut your ties before the next round of election at least if nothing else to show you are truly independent and not part of the blocks.

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#75 - 2013-04-03 20:25:49 UTC
Bantara wrote:
Unforgiven Storm wrote:
I don't have access or talk with leadership of my alliance. Any information I have is by talking with one of my corp directors, he is my point of contact when I have questions. I only talk with him 3 times about my candidacy, one was when I decided to run, I didn't want to cause a problem to my corp so I ask them if it was ok, if the alliance will not create them problems.
(...)

Man, I know sov null-sec is serious spaceship biz, but I'd be f-ing leaving if I got devalued like that. Don't know why you put up with it.

Either way, industrialists *do* matter, they should have a voice, and I'm putting you somewhere in my top 2-5.


Please don't take conclusions about things I didn't said or implied.

In any large organization there is an hierarchy / chain of command. Look at the army, a soldier doesn't go to speak with a general when it has a problem does he? he speaks with his Sargent. This is not much different, we are 10000 players, if we didn't had a chain of command chaos would have destroyed the entire organization. So my "Sargent" are my corp directors, my "lieutenant" is my CEO... I'm a soldier.

There is no devaluation at all, in my RL job I'm one employee in 30000, I don't know my CEO personally, or my R&D director or my Area Manager, nor they know me. I know and talk with my line manager. Its no devaluation, its hierarchy and I'm down there and I have no problems with that.

Unforgiven Storm for CSM 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. (If I don't get in in the next 5 years I will quit trying) :-)

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#76 - 2013-04-04 16:09:10 UTC
Its time!

I'm the only industrialist candidate in the ballot.

If you want the CSM to have an industry representative, now is the time to vote for me.

I need you, every vote counts!

Vote for me.

https://community.eveonline.com/community/csm/vote/

Thank you all for your support.

Unforgiven Storm for CSM 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. (If I don't get in in the next 5 years I will quit trying) :-)

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#77 - 2013-04-04 18:32:39 UTC
I strongly endorse this candidate! Good luck!!

Issler
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Templis CALSF
#78 - 2013-04-04 22:55:16 UTC
An industrialist with deep knowledge and no hidden make-highsec-safer agenda. Embrace The Storm, Endorse The Storm

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#79 - 2013-04-05 13:00:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Unforgiven Storm
I’m counting on you.

I’m the only industrialist candidate in the ballot. By voting for me you’ll be able to impact the priorities of development in 2013 and 2014 by placing industry on the top 3 issues to be fixed, so we can keep moving this game forward.

These are going to be two busy election weeks! We need to work together to bring your friends and your corp mates to the voting page and ask them to vote for me.

All things are possible, you just need to believe.

Vote for me here.

Even if you don’t vote for me, it’s OK, I will never give up on you, I will defend you and your interests in the CSM no matter what.

Unforgiven Storm for CSM 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. (If I don't get in in the next 5 years I will quit trying) :-)

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#80 - 2013-04-05 13:56:52 UTC
I unreservedly recommend Unforgiven. Find him a place on your voting lists, because if EVE's economy isn't working right, nothing else will either.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016