EVE General Discussion

Well, to be honest most "small gang PVP" is just that, a gang. More like a mob. They tend to be, more often than not, just a mish-mash of whatever frigs or hacs or whatever the boys happen to have laying around. Grab it quick, "maybe" have a certain theme you loosely stick to, and head out as quickly as possible. In this mess, everyone needs a point.

Really well organized small gangs are not as common, but they include ships of various sizes filling specific roles pertinent to the mission. Often not everyone will have tackle, instead the ships will be fitted to maximize their effectiveness in their given roles. The gangs tend to be vastly more effective than the random hodge podge normally seen.

In the latter gangs, you will occasionally see the single mid-slot ships used... but even then not often. The single slot ships are either frigate or destroyer size, and their role in PVP is to attack smaller size vessels. However, since smaller size vessels tend to move quickly out of range or warp out, and tacklers within the gang are concentrating on larger and more valuable targets, they are limited in even this role.

After considering both sides of the argument for a very long time, I'm finally going to have to side with allowing a 2 mid slot minimum.

The irony in this is that to be a good Taranis pilot and survive each engagement you must also be a suicidal maniac.

+1 The Retribution and Coercer REALLY need that extra mid, I'd love to be able to use my Dessy in combat.

Hey trying flying Caldari.

And stop crying too.

The simple fact that people know it only has one midslot brings them to the instant realisation that it's either got a propulsion mod or web/scram.

You're able to tell if its got the propulsion mod by its velocity.

It makes for an easy target, as tis got to be in you're face to do damage, and is useless unless it is in range.

It's a free kill that comes to you!

Why is an entire ship gimped purely so it can be classed as different? Your'e happy with it being used purely by noobs whom like the gold/red colorsheme? For it to have no viable role in pvp fleets at all other than cannon fodder/decoration?

What is it again, an Assault ship is meant to do? And does not the single mid slot prevent this ship from doing its role in any viable way - meaning just because its meant to do the role doesnt mean it can - or anywhere near as good as all other ships of its class purely because of its 1 mid slot handycap?


Note from a former Amarr pilot. Selling it and picking up a Minnie pilot was the best thing i ever did. Not that my voice counts that much, but perhaps CCP should have a look at Race statistics, and ho many people have sold their Amarr character for something else over the last two years or so.

1 mid frigs & destroyers are *pointless*. This isn't really about gang vs solo, your generally not going to bring a frig if the only thing it can do is dps and tank...

Look I can understand the argument that its the "Concept".

Bu Concept and Fluff does not actually make good game play. Its more like the spice or seasoning to a game.

But Concept and fluff should not make something unplayable in the greater scheme of the game. Any ship meant to be used in PvP must have at least two mid slots. It must be able to at minimum fight solo. If not its not meant for PvP.

The Retribution and Coercer need a second mid slot. Just giving them the mid slot makes them Playable and fixes them.

Give them the second mid slot already.

Retribution is awesome at delivering dps.

let other ships do the tackling


imo an additional mid slot could never justify the nerfs to the ship's other capabilities that would have to accompany it.

This... Retri is pretty wtfpwn, and does terrible things to its enemies when applied properly. To bad you refuse to apply it properly and just insist on getting its capabilities nerfed so you can have your point security blanket.

Don't fly it solo, and trust your fleetmates, and it works just fine.

to give him a midslot you would need to remove either a hislot or a lowslot.

removing a loslot would make it have nearly the exact same layout as the enyo and wolf, while removing one of the things that make the ship unique which is having 5 lows.

removing a hislot would... hmm, not have that much of an impact actually, since the 5th highslot is utility.



still say it should have a 5th turret tho.