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looking for a blaster tengu fit!
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Alexstrazaas
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-04-03 23:25:02 UTC
title says it all.

seen a few threads talking about it but no fits.

i am basically maxed on gunnery skills and hybrids and only lacking lvl 5 for both rail and blaster spec's of all sizes

got all subsystems to 3 finishing caldari cruisor to 5 and will raise the ubsystems to 4 then after that

looking at getting a tengu just because it's a tengu and they are good

subsystem wise i think i know what i need but more info never hurts
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#2 - 2013-04-03 23:40:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Dibblerette
Alexstrazaas wrote:
title says it all.
looking at getting a tengu just because it's a tengu and they are good


They're good because of the spectacular bonuses they get to MISSILES. Blaster Tengu is a waste of money, either train armor and get a Proteus, or invest in a nice Ferox.

EDIT: Sorry if that sounded blunt, but if you EFT it, you'll see what I'm talking about. The damage bonus on the hybrid subsystem isn't great, so you end up doing slightly more damage than heavy missiles, but with 15% the range. I believe a Tengu with HAMs would out-dps blasters, and certainly outrange them.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2013-04-04 00:19:01 UTC
A good blaster Tengu is hard to pin down. It can take many shapes -- possibly any shape, really. In fact, if you capture it it will be able to answer all your questions. But it's slippery. Also, fond of water.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-04-04 01:30:01 UTC
-take standard tengu fit
-replace missile sub with hybrid sub
-slap on magstabs+blasters
-slap on some hybrid rigs
-????????
-fail miserably.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Alexstrazaas
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-04-04 02:30:29 UTC
such a negative crowd, any one want to truly help out here?
Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-04-04 06:36:17 UTC
Alexstrazaas wrote:
such a negative crowd, any one want to truly help out here?



Alexa Coates wrote:

-take standard tengu fit
-replace missile sub with hybrid sub
-slap on magstabs+blasters


2013.03.01 13:30:58 notify For participating in the General Discussion Forum Section your trustworthiness has been adjusted by -2.5000.

My name is Hans. The "L" stands for danger.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-04-04 06:56:43 UTC
Alexstrazaas wrote:
such a negative crowd


In fairness, it's not unjust.

It's a bit like putting small ACs on a Mach....I mean .. sure...you can...but....
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2013-04-04 07:24:35 UTC
Missile Tengu is broken, it gets triple bonus to missiles.

Blaster Tengu doesn't get triple bonus to blasters.

Missile Tengu > blaster Tengu

Blaster Proteus > all

hope this helped you in your quest

.
Critical Issue
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-04-04 07:32:34 UTC
dat cleavage
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-04-04 08:09:23 UTC
Blasters for proteus
Missiles for tengu
AC for Loki
Bunny rabbits for the Legion.

Didn't you get the memo?

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#11 - 2013-04-04 09:53:05 UTC
Dibblerette wrote:
EDIT: Sorry if that sounded blunt, but if you EFT it, you'll see what I'm talking about. The damage bonus on the hybrid subsystem isn't great, so you end up doing slightly more damage than heavy missiles, but with 15% the range. I believe a Tengu with HAMs would out-dps blasters, and certainly outrange them.


Maybe if you just look at the EFT numbers. Once you consider tracking the blaster Tengu at optimal is significantly out-damaging the missile setups.

Not that it changes the end result by much though, you're still better off getting a Brutix and having 400 million ISK left to buy a few more.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-04-04 11:22:00 UTC
dual large ASB and nuetrons

If you have max fitting skills and a bit of cash for the odd fancy mod or two and need to tank particularly insanely: Dual x-l ASB and electrons. Yes it fits but 10mn AB only, mwd is doable but you lose too much deeps from reactors or tank with ancils.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-04-04 11:54:25 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Dibblerette wrote:
EDIT: Sorry if that sounded blunt, but if you EFT it, you'll see what I'm talking about. The damage bonus on the hybrid subsystem isn't great, so you end up doing slightly more damage than heavy missiles, but with 15% the range. I believe a Tengu with HAMs would out-dps blasters, and certainly outrange them.


Maybe if you just look at the EFT numbers. Once you consider tracking the blaster Tengu at optimal is significantly out-damaging the missile setups.


Is that the tracking the missiles neither need, nor care about?

And if you're going short range and ignoring travel time, the HAM tengu is bat**** crazy.
Alexstrazaas
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-04-04 16:54:32 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
dual large ASB and nuetrons

If you have max fitting skills and a bit of cash for the odd fancy mod or two and need to tank particularly insanely: Dual x-l ASB and electrons. Yes it fits but 10mn AB only, mwd is doable but you lose too much deeps from reactors or tank with ancils.



OMG INFORMATION FINALLY!

also i usually never touch mwd, just kills to much cap although i see it useful for tacklers
illirdor
Upper Class Goat
#15 - 2013-04-04 19:38:38 UTC
Alexstrazaas wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
dual large ASB and nuetrons

If you have max fitting skills and a bit of cash for the odd fancy mod or two and need to tank particularly insanely: Dual x-l ASB and electrons. Yes it fits but 10mn AB only, mwd is doable but you lose too much deeps from reactors or tank with ancils.



OMG INFORMATION FINALLY!

also i usually never touch mwd, just kills to much cap although i see it useful for tacklers


Well the speed from the mwd is mighty usefull for a blaster anything to get in range...

Soooo this is my sig.... 
Alphaphi
KASK Heavy logistics
#16 - 2013-04-04 19:55:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Alphaphi
brewed this brawler fit up a bit'o time ago, it works decently, but you have to bait players in to range.
note that it's mostly a 1v1 brawler fit though.

once they're caught they get a nasty surprise.
it works, but a proteus can do the job better



Stats:
EHP: 93,339
resist: 65.2/90.9/86.4/77.4
speed: 633 m/sec
cap: 25minutes CN anti, 7m 55s Void
align: 7sec

DPS: cold/heat - opt+falloff
CN anti: 667/767 - 4.5+6.3
void: 745/856 - 6.8+3.1
Null: 532/612 - 13+8.8


[Tengu, brawling tengu with a WTF surprise]
Damage Control II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
True Sansha Stasis Webifier

Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#17 - 2013-04-04 20:30:15 UTC
This is what I'd fly http://puu.sh/2tTkR
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#18 - 2013-04-04 22:13:43 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Is that the tracking the missiles neither need, nor care about?


"Tracking" as in speed and signature radius. Missile Tengus have great EFT dps, but once you consider real damage the blaster setup has a significant advantage since it can apply a greater percentage of its theoretical maximum dps.
Alexstrazaas
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-04-04 22:45:21 UTC
meh well in 12 days i will have a tengu!
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-04-05 00:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Is that the tracking the missiles neither need, nor care about?


"Tracking" as in speed and signature radius. Missile Tengus have great EFT dps, but once you consider real damage the blaster setup has a significant advantage since it can apply a greater percentage of its theoretical maximum dps.


A properly fit ship is only *really* going to lose [material] DPS to speed, tiny targets aside and the speeds required to make serious mitigation will probably put tracking to the sword too.

Come near a properly fit HAM tengu and you'll feel the pain, significantly more than blasters. HAMs, with max skills, proper rigs and no implants are at 116m radius...that's going to HURT. especially at 880-900+ dps (kit depending). Complete with space for a web/TP if the mood takes

I'm not underestimating blasters, I think though, that you're underestimating the evil incarnate of the properly fit HAM tengu. Twisted

Of course...travel time sinks it.



Edit: @OP It's not that a turrt tengu is *bad* per-se...just that....it pales next to the launcher breeds.
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