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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-04-03 18:58:46 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
To the board of the Kaalakiota Corporation...may I humbly suggest that you reevaluate the leadership of your corporation and consider that perhaps it is time for a change.

Farbeit from me to support Heth, but doesn't he own a controlling interest in Kaalakiota?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#62 - 2013-04-03 19:19:26 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Farbeit from me to support Heth, but doesn't he own a controlling interest in Kaalakiota?


I am not sure the extent of his interest, but I suspect KK stock will be going for bargain prices shortly, if things continue...so that may change.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#63 - 2013-04-03 19:20:35 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Now kiss.


I would have thought you were more Mr. Ixiris' type for the Heuremont Waltz.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#64 - 2013-04-03 19:30:35 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Now kiss.

I'm afraid she's not my type.

Too much lipstick.


I'd offer to do it for you, but not for free.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-04-03 19:32:41 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
I'd offer to do it for you, but not for free.

To clarify, you're offering - for a fee - to kiss a member of the Caldari militia for me because I don't want to?

Is this actually a thing? Do other people pay money for this?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-04-03 19:49:17 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
I'd offer to do it for you, but not for free.

To clarify, you're offering - for a fee - to kiss a member of the Caldari militia for me because I don't want to?

Is this actually a thing? Do other people pay money for this?


Do you remember that lonely guy back at CAS? Him mostly.

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Shiho Weitong
Yeet and Yoink Inc.
Heirs To The Pleasurehub
#67 - 2013-04-03 20:00:47 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
How unfortunate Kaalakiota and Lai Dai have chosen to be on the wrong side of history


I've seen statements like this quite a few times now, and honestly it is beginning to annoy me a little. While Ishanoya did vote against the treaty in it's current form, the Treaty was still signed by the Lai Dai corporation. I do not agree with the treaty in it's current form, and even though my transition to a capsuleer overrides my duties to my corporation i still consider myself part of the R&D divison, and still have a lot of acquaintances inside the corporation itself.

This more than anything is a sign of the real strength of the State. We all move in unison, when state matters are concerned. I also thinks it puts a great light on Lai Dai that even in these times of personal conquests and egos controlling the universe, there are still people who will lay down their claims for peace. I will follow Ishanoya and Lai Dai and that means honoring the treaty.

Heth does not believe in anything but his own personal quest for glory and vengeance.
Not signing the treaty is, as I've said before elsewhere, very close to treachery against the state.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#68 - 2013-04-03 21:22:24 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
To the board of the Kaalakiota Corporation...may I humbly suggest that you reevaluate the leadership of your corporation and consider that perhaps it is time for a change.

Farbeit from me to support Heth, but doesn't he own a controlling interest in Kaalakiota?


It's not going to help him if the CEP indicts him for ordering illegal use of force against corporate assets.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#69 - 2013-04-03 21:22:58 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Now kiss.


I would have thought you were more Mr. Ixiris' type for the Heuremont Waltz.


But you two were getting on SO well!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#70 - 2013-04-03 22:27:20 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
To the board of the Kaalakiota Corporation...may I humbly suggest that you reevaluate the leadership of your corporation and consider that perhaps it is time for a change.

Farbeit from me to support Heth, but doesn't he own a controlling interest in Kaalakiota?


Even with a controlling interest, the remaining share holders in the corporation can move within their executive authority to have him submitted to executive review by the CBT. The CEP also maintains the authority to remove him from his position and redistribute his shares to those with the merit and will to do them honor.

~Malcolm Khross
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#71 - 2013-04-03 22:43:15 UTC
A fair and profitable move.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#72 - 2013-04-04 00:04:20 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
To the board of the Kaalakiota Corporation...may I humbly suggest that you reevaluate the leadership of your corporation and consider that perhaps it is time for a change.

Farbeit from me to support Heth, but doesn't he own a controlling interest in Kaalakiota?


Even with a controlling interest, the remaining share holders in the corporation can move within their executive authority to have him submitted to executive review by the CBT. The CEP also maintains the authority to remove him from his position and redistribute his shares to those with the merit and will to do them honor.


That would be...an extreme measure, one that I'm not sure I would even agree with.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#73 - 2013-04-04 00:23:38 UTC
I would like to ask some information from those better informed than I am: what are Executor Heth's holdings, and how did he come by them?

I'm asking because my understanding is that he was elected to the post of the CEO of Caldari Constructions following heroism and public service during protests, but I'm a touch sketchy on the progression of events between his becoming a CEO, the formation of the Caldari Providence Directorate, and his being brought into the position of executor. Obviously, the Malkalen Incident had a significant part to play -- but I'll admit I was paying only the most cursory attention to politics for the past few years.

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Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#74 - 2013-04-04 00:52:32 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
So now that there's at least a negotiated solution and a recognition of the special status of Caldari Prime by the Federation, why all the continued snide remarks and subtle xenophobia on the part of you Caldari partisans? It's not like your hands are totally clean in all this either. How about putting the past aside and giving this new settlement a chance without the name calling and hatred? Are you so conditioned to hate that you know no other way?


Warmongers and idiots go over there with Diana Kim and Hans Nardieu.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#75 - 2013-04-04 01:28:12 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
That would be...an extreme measure, one that I'm not sure I would even agree with.


Oh, I'm not suggesting I would support or condone such an action, I am simply stating it is a possibility.

~Malcolm Khross
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-04-04 01:54:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
Priano-haani,

In summary:

Worker Revolts on Piak III involving Caldari Constructions workers begins, dropping stocks across the State. This allows for Tibus Heth, an MTAC operator for Caldari Constructions, to purchase a majority share in the company. At the same time, Tibus Heth obtains illegal access to nationwide media and addresses the nation.

Shortly following his nationwide address, Ethnic violence breaks out on Caldari Prime mostly against Caldari expatriates by Gallenteans. The Federation police eventually are forced to use deadly force to stop the riots, resulting in a massive spike in death tolls. This leads to ethnic violence breaking out across the Caldari State primarily against Gallente expatriates.

Ishukone CEO Otro Gariushi then addresses the nation, asking for calm and denouncing Tibus Heth for his racially charged speech. A short time later, the Malkalen Peace Summit is announced by Ishukone and Tibus Heth issues public approval.

We know this part quite well, but the Malkalen Peace Summit is interrupted when a Federation Nyx rams into the Malkalen station piloted by a rogue Federation admiral named Alexander Noir (though it was later revealed that this pilot was not acting on behalf of the Federation and suspicions of him being replaced by a clone agent are all but confirmed). Shortly after this, the racial tension begins to build again between both nations and Ytiri Warehouse CEO Tantima Iwisoda steps down, ceding all control to Tibus Heth.

Following this, Kaalakiota CEO Haatakan Oiritsuu voluntarily steps down and also cedes all corporate control to Tibus Heth who then address the nation again, making promises to repay the debt owed to the Gallente for their treachery at Malkalen and claiming it was a Federal ploy all along.

It doesn't take long for all of the CEP megacorporations to announce a partnership with the newly formed CPD, ceding strategic control over their military and production assets in preparation for war. The only megacorporation to abstain was Ishukone who only later followed suit, announcing that the absence of leadership after the Malkalen Incident made the move necessary.

Following all of this, Tibus Heth announces a national draft and begins to prepare the State for all-out war now acting as the "Executor" of the State.

~Malcolm Khross
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#77 - 2013-04-04 01:55:25 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
That would be...an extreme measure, one that I'm not sure I would even agree with.


Oh, I'm not suggesting I would support or condone such an action, I am simply stating it is a possibility.


Heth's very policies provide the legal precedent for that to happen, no doubt.

Katrina Oniseki
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#78 - 2013-04-04 02:23:19 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
The patriotic efforts of those loyal to the Federation living on Luminaire VII, both Caldari and Gallente, to oppose the State occupation, must be supported.


Perhaps you remember our exchange from several weeks ago?

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
So long as Caldari Prime is administered by the State, demilitarization seems an acceptable solution. I worry, however, that this deal will collapse if partisans begin reprisal strikes, whether Provist, Black Eagle, or unaffiliated forces.


Let's hope the Insurgency stands down now. If it doesn't, well it's a game that two can play.

If there is no occupation there is no need for an insurgency. If people have a voice in the government they won't have to resort to violence for redress. But if you would like to continue to trade terror for terror then so be it.


I intervened when the Caldari Navy was attacked, and after the battle delivered an Industrial full of aid supplies. I then rescued both Federal and State citizens from the ground of Home no more than three hours after Shiigeru's death. I've put my crew and my assets on the line fighting Heth's cronies and I've escorted eight Freighters worth of other people's goods.

Who are the REAL humanitarians here, Sygarius? What have YOU done?

Of course, as you say, I'm also the other side of that coin. I would be very disappointed if it should come back to trading terror for terror, but that option will always be in a drawer, waiting.

I don't think I ever calmed to be a humanitarian Msr. Tuulinen.
But you may rest assured my contributions to conditions on Caldari Prime do have... effects.

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#79 - 2013-04-04 02:30:43 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
That would be...an extreme measure, one that I'm not sure I would even agree with.


Oh, I'm not suggesting I would support or condone such an action, I am simply stating it is a possibility.


Heth's very policies provide the legal precedent for that to happen, no doubt.

It would be a satisfying symmetry if Heth were removed from power using his own methods.

I am not saying that's something I want to happen; it would be a very bad thing indeed, but I think Heth will further attempt to abuse his power and drastic measures will have to be taken.
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#80 - 2013-04-04 02:34:11 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
That would be...an extreme measure, one that I'm not sure I would even agree with.


Oh, I'm not suggesting I would support or condone such an action, I am simply stating it is a possibility.


Heth's very policies provide the legal precedent for that to happen, no doubt.


There is very little "legal" about any precedent involving the CPD. The law must be followed, and there is more than enough that can be done within the law to eliminate the CPD and the false office of the Executor. If the board of Kaalakiota wishes to keep Tibus Heth as their CEO, that is their decision by rights and it must be respected, as they must respect the decisions of all the other corporate boards. The market may punish them -- their stock may collapse, they may find themselves isolated by others -- but they are within their rights.

Either they will remove Tibus Heth, or the market will. At this point, one of those two options seems inevitable.