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Moneys Hot Fox
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2012-11-30 04:55:19 UTC
ok i put buy orders in for 2 retrievers and a convtor..one day buy orders

got off work and check and it seems that the buy order time was up

i did not recieve back the 75 mill isk i put in escrow and did not recieve any ships?

it shows in my ledger that they took out the money for escrow

22 mill
23 mill
28 mill
and not to mention 28 mill in ore buy orders

am i missing something here do you not get escrow money back

im prety new.... but i know im not overlooking three 20 mill ships

please help im confused feel like im out a 100 mill here
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#82 - 2012-11-30 12:34:19 UTC
Moneys Hot Fox wrote:
ok i put buy orders in for 2 retrievers and a convtor..one day buy orders

got off work and check and it seems that the buy order time was up

i did not recieve back the 75 mill isk i put in escrow and did not recieve any ships?

it shows in my ledger that they took out the money for escrow

22 mill
23 mill
28 mill
and not to mention 28 mill in ore buy orders

am i missing something here do you not get escrow money back

im prety new.... but i know im not overlooking three 20 mill ships

please help im confused feel like im out a 100 mill here

Seems like an issue that gets sorted by downtime. Apparently some of the stuff on market does not find its way back to your wallet/hanger till after DT. It is unlikely that there is a bug and your stuff is gone for good. Even so, you can always petition and get it back, but I would not do that immediately, as there is likely to be another explanation (like above).

Any colour you like.

Jateel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-01-10 01:40:05 UTC
I am a rookie trader. Would some kind soul inform me what I am doing wrong??


I brought 100,000 units of a consumer product to market to satisfy an NPC buy order for only 45,000 units. Being the dummy that I am, I thought "Screw it, I will try and sell the whole 100,000 units and see if they take it." They sure did....for a price much lower than I expected. I ended up losing 22 million on the transaction.

My question is this:

Assuming that you can sell a commodity in excess of the buy order to the same trader (in this case, an NPC), HOW MUCH does the buy order price drop? The original buy order in my example was at about 325 isk per unit....when transaction completed, I was selling closer to 200 isk per unit.

Help?Big smile
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#84 - 2013-01-10 12:09:51 UTC
Jateel wrote:
I am a rookie trader. Would some kind soul inform me what I am doing wrong??


I brought 100,000 units of a consumer product to market to satisfy an NPC buy order for only 45,000 units. Being the dummy that I am, I thought "Screw it, I will try and sell the whole 100,000 units and see if they take it." They sure did....for a price much lower than I expected. I ended up losing 22 million on the transaction.

My question is this:

Assuming that you can sell a commodity in excess of the buy order to the same trader (in this case, an NPC), HOW MUCH does the buy order price drop? The original buy order in my example was at about 325 isk per unit....when transaction completed, I was selling closer to 200 isk per unit.

Help?Big smile

I can answer your first question: the thing you are doing wrong is NPC trade. There is such a lot of money to be made trading with other players, that I do not think anyone does NPC trade consistently. I may be wrong, though, as I have very little experience in this aspect of trade, but I still think I am correct in thinking that there are better and easier ways to make money.

About how much the NPC buy order is devalued each time it is placed/renewed.... I have no clue. Have not read anything about it though this discussion may help you.

Any colour you like.

Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#85 - 2013-01-27 06:42:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Hello, a question regarding a specific service I'd like to start as a thread on this part of the forums.

Basically I make art in pen drawings and ink IRL, and devoting most of time to it.

I play Eve very casually and am making barely enough RL money to keep my subscription up, as I LOVE playing this game, but I however do not have any RL time to invest in making the isk I need ingame.

Since most of my time is dedicated in making art and my curent job, I would like to propose the eve community an exchange for my artworks into ingame isk so I can keep paying for items ingame and paying my sub.

I'd like to open a thread for that, so would I be allowed to do so ?

Thank you.
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#86 - 2013-01-27 16:45:41 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
Hello, a question regarding a specific service I'd like to start as a thread on this part of the forums.

Basically I make art in pen drawings and ink IRL, and devoting most of time to it.

I play Eve very casually and am making barely enough RL money to keep my subscription up, as I LOVE playing this game, but I however do not have any RL time to invest in making the isk I need ingame.

Since most of my time is dedicated in making art and my curent job, I would like to propose the eve community an exchange for my artworks into ingame isk so I can keep paying for items ingame and paying my sub.

I'd like to open a thread for that, so would I be allowed to do so ?

Thank you.


Player generated content in Eve is always welcome. Personally I think there is need for your service.

The correct place to advertise your service is the Sell Orders forum. This is where you set up shop.

Before you do that, it would be a very good idea to post your plan for this service in Market Discussions (MD). The MD community is likely to give you some useful advice on how to go ahead with the service.

Do not be discouraged by a bit of trolling after you post, as this is how Eve forums are.

As a start: I would like to commission you to design my corp logo. How about 50m advance (after discussing the concept), and 50m on successful completion of the project? If interested please Eve mail me.

Any colour you like.

Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#87 - 2013-01-27 19:29:55 UTC
Samroski wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:
Hello, a question regarding a specific service I'd like to start as a thread on this part of the forums.

Basically I make art in pen drawings and ink IRL, and devoting most of time to it.

I play Eve very casually and am making barely enough RL money to keep my subscription up, as I LOVE playing this game, but I however do not have any RL time to invest in making the isk I need ingame.

Since most of my time is dedicated in making art and my curent job, I would like to propose the eve community an exchange for my artworks into ingame isk so I can keep paying for items ingame and paying my sub.

I'd like to open a thread for that, so would I be allowed to do so ?

Thank you.


Player generated content in Eve is always welcome. Personally I think there is need for your service.

The correct place to advertise your service is the Sell Orders forum. This is where you set up shop.

Before you do that, it would be a very good idea to post your plan for this service in Market Discussions (MD). The MD community is likely to give you some useful advice on how to go ahead with the service.

Do not be discouraged by a bit of trolling after you post, as this is how Eve forums are.

As a start: I would like to commission you to design my corp logo. How about 50m advance (after discussing the concept), and 50m on successful completion of the project? If interested please Eve mail me.


Evemail sent, we can talk live ingame whenever you're on next and i'll show you my skills and artwork. Cheers
Scaara Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-02-15 21:55:11 UTC
So not really a question but Im trying to get into station trading and have some spreadsheets for it but they dont seem to be working or anything, Could someone help me out that has good knoweledge of google doc's spreadsheets, Thanks very much.
(It isnt the normal station trading either its slightly different.)
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#89 - 2013-02-23 13:09:12 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
Samroski wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:
Hello, a question regarding a specific service I'd like to start as a thread on this part of the forums.

Basically I make art in pen drawings and ink IRL, and devoting most of time to it.

I play Eve very casually and am making barely enough RL money to keep my subscription up, as I LOVE playing this game, but I however do not have any RL time to invest in making the isk I need ingame.

Since most of my time is dedicated in making art and my curent job, I would like to propose the eve community an exchange for my artworks into ingame isk so I can keep paying for items ingame and paying my sub.

I'd like to open a thread for that, so would I be allowed to do so ?

Thank you.


Player generated content in Eve is always welcome. Personally I think there is need for your service.

The correct place to advertise your service is the Sell Orders forum. This is where you set up shop.

Before you do that, it would be a very good idea to post your plan for this service in Market Discussions (MD). The MD community is likely to give you some useful advice on how to go ahead with the service.

Do not be discouraged by a bit of trolling after you post, as this is how Eve forums are.

As a start: I would like to commission you to design my corp logo. How about 50m advance (after discussing the concept), and 50m on successful completion of the project? If interested please Eve mail me.


Evemail sent, we can talk live ingame whenever you're on next and i'll show you my skills and artwork. Cheers

For the sake of posterity: Mr. Goe Rilla took 50m and ran. Is not contactable. Never showed me any of his work either.

Any colour you like.

Evan Swaggins
ARAZ Engineering
#90 - 2013-03-21 08:59:59 UTC
I'm brand new to Eve, what captured my interest was simply the general banter on PCGamer, I decided to look into it further and found out there is great depth and steeped history within this game. I've started to mine with my character, I really don't know anything but the basics but I've been reading over the forums a bit and saw people talk about IPO's/Shares etc etc, I even see that my corporation has some shares. I'm a part time investor IRL, and have been for 3-4 years now. How in-depth does the market in Eve get? I see there are moving averages and whatnot, but is there an actual/physical stockmarket? Or it is just "plainly" trading "commodities" ? (ships/plans etc etc).

TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#91 - 2013-03-22 14:01:42 UTC
Evan Swaggins wrote:
I'm brand new to Eve, what captured my interest was simply the general banter on PCGamer, I decided to look into it further and found out there is great depth and steeped history within this game. I've started to mine with my character, I really don't know anything but the basics but I've been reading over the forums a bit and saw people talk about IPO's/Shares etc etc, I even see that my corporation has some shares. I'm a part time investor IRL, and have been for 3-4 years now. How in-depth does the market in Eve get? I see there are moving averages and whatnot, but is there an actual/physical stockmarket? Or it is just "plainly" trading "commodities" ? (ships/plans etc etc).



No idea how active the stock market in EVE is, but it lacks an ingame tool for decent more complex exchanges, thats for sure.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Market_resources#Stock_Exchange, find some out of game exchanges on the resource page of this thread.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

Samroski
Middle-Earth
#92 - 2013-03-27 10:07:57 UTC
Evan Swaggins wrote:
I'm brand new to Eve, what captured my interest was simply the general banter on PCGamer, I decided to look into it further and found out there is great depth and steeped history within this game. I've started to mine with my character, I really don't know anything but the basics but I've been reading over the forums a bit and saw people talk about IPO's/Shares etc etc, I even see that my corporation has some shares. I'm a part time investor IRL, and have been for 3-4 years now. How in-depth does the market in Eve get? I see there are moving averages and whatnot, but is there an actual/physical stockmarket? Or it is just "plainly" trading "commodities" ? (ships/plans etc etc).

There is no in-game stock market. The "stock market", generally known as the "Secondary Market" is all run via the forums. As a new player you are unlikely to have the money to invest in this, and I would strongly advise to stay away from it till you have hung around the forums for a while and figure out yourself what is going on (there is significant chance of being scammed).

The corporate shares in-game that you found, may be used to hand out dividends. Thus if a corp has 1000 shares and you have 100, when the CEO sends out dividends (via the corp window) you will automatically receive 10% of the money. Theoretically this works well. Practically the issue is that people become inactive or leave the game with the shares still with them. This means that the corp dividend gets sent to an inactive account, and the money is lost (forever). Thus there are few practical uses of these shares, and there has been a demand for the last many years for CCP to sort shares out.

I suggest sticking with the in-game market to start with, which is totally player driven and great fun, and basically involves trading commodities via the market and contracts. Get used to looking at the information in the market details for all the items that you buy/use. Best of luck!

Any colour you like.

XNordak BalremX
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#93 - 2013-04-03 16:02:28 UTC
I'm trying to find current up to date plex prices in all major hubs, unable to get ingame
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#94 - 2013-04-03 17:39:29 UTC
XNordak BalremX wrote:
I'm trying to find current up to date plex prices in all major hubs, unable to get ingame

In-game you can only see the market of the region you are in.

The ways around this:
1. Ask in a channel or corp/alliance chat. Players in other regions can help you.
2. Have alts in other regions to check prices.
3. Use eve-central or other such out of game services. Here is the current plex info at eve-central.

Any colour you like.

TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#95 - 2013-04-03 20:57:10 UTC
XNordak BalremX wrote:
I'm trying to find current up to date plex prices in all major hubs, unable to get ingame


Try the Price_Check channel ingame.
Then you have PLEX prices from all over EVE.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

Laurence C
Toxin Solutions
#96 - 2013-04-05 17:55:29 UTC
Hey Guys I am going to post my daily update of my market and how I do it in detail. I am looking for ways to cut down on travel time, and also if only taking say smaller loads is worth it or if I should wait for full cargo holds. So here it is.

3 Characters:

1x Jita trader (buy orders) 67 possible orders
1x Amarr trader (Sell Orders) 27 possible orders
1x Rens Trader ( Sell Orders)17 possible orders


I will transport every day no matter what I have whether its one stack of 50 or a full Mammoth cargo hold.

I have 3 bil in capital.

I calculate profit between Jita and Amarr. (they are the closest)
then I move my products there with Jita char.

Then before I place anything I then cross check Amarr with Rens
If Rens has better profits then Amarr I save it and make a trip out to rens at the very end. The trip is done with 2 characters if needed
at that point as I do not make as many trips to Rens. Maybe once every 2 days.

The rest gets placed in Amarr

And I rinse and repeat .
*I also play the 0.01 game and have been getting into market manip as well lately.

So please tear what I have apart. I need ideas on what I should do via trade route wise and operation wise.

Lastly when I had 100mil which was my starting capital I made 1 billion in under a week. Now I have issue pushing 20 mil a day. Any ideas?.
Laurence C
Toxin Solutions
#97 - 2013-04-05 18:00:07 UTC
Amarr Citizen 155 wrote:
Just an FYI to the rest of the clever guys who post on MD, this thread on the new forums is a repost of the original thread created by me in December 2008 in response to an influx of stupid threads asking simple questions. The dev that recreated this thread probably didn't do it to "get us to do his work of advising players on how to play the game" but instead to move a sticked thread from the old forum to the new one.

If the thread is now unnecessary then so be it, but sometimes clever people with clever remarks end up being everything but.

/me waves his Jedi finger
This isn't the CCP conspiracy you're looking for.


______________________________

hehe sounds like someone is sad his forum post wasnt as sucessful. Dont take credit on someone elses work. Good Job on giving us a place to throw around some ideas.

Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#98 - 2013-04-05 18:11:40 UTC
Laurence C wrote:


STUFF

.


Maybe you need to move up a size in your hauler, a mammoth doesn't carry a whole lot, and once you start moving higher value cargos, the T1 industrials are risky to ship around, especially on the Jita-Amarr pipe.

It may be that you need to scale up your operations, the things you were selling when you had 100m isk may not have the daily volume to make you the same margin at your current capital level. Are you scaling up the amount you have involved in buy/sells at any one time?

I usually run fairly close to the limit of my isk, with it being tied up either in buys or sells, as liquid isk is not earning me anything.

Finally, Rens-Amarr is one hell of a long way. I would consider using your Rens trader to look at Hek as well, its 6 jumps between the two hubs :)
Royal Hammer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2013-04-17 05:03:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Royal Hammer
Question: Is there any way to see how long a specific buy order has been up? I can see how long since my last modify order, but I'm not sure how to view the age of the order. I think some of my buy orders aren't moving as quickly as I like, and I'd want to identify them and replace them with new items that move a bit faster. Is there any way to view this in-game? Failing that, do any utilities have this feature? I've used Elinor, and I just started using EVE Mentat, if that helps.
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#100 - 2013-04-17 18:03:08 UTC
Royal Hammer wrote:
Question: Is there any way to see how long a specific buy order has been up? I can see how long since my last modify order, but I'm not sure how to view the age of the order. I think some of my buy orders aren't moving as quickly as I like, and I'd want to identify them and replace them with new items that move a bit faster. Is there any way to view this in-game? Failing that, do any utilities have this feature? I've used Elinor, and I just started using EVE Mentat, if that helps.


Have not found apps yet that do this. Have until now done this in Excel.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-