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I do agree 7 user per hangar is too few for a PSH. In fact my main argument was merely that PSH should have a limited total size. I did not Say 20 per hangar was ideal. It was just easy to talk about. I was mainly arguing that a PSH should be aimed supporting a limited number of typical active wh users. Let us say 30 instead just to emphasis I am not fixed on 20. There is however some right compromise number less than 50 active users. Or better yet some total storage limit of less than 2M m3 per PSH (or other sized structure with cost of say 3.5M ISK per 1 M m3).

Dividing PSH in multiple units will NOT Un-organize everything - because all PSH are automatically grouped together by type at each POS by the Universal Inventory. heck You could even name them like files to add your own additional ordering within type. So its sort of like arguing scrolls are better organized than books with securely bound pages.

Or perhaps you speaking more to the esthetics of POS landscaping and locating particular structures -- fewer being considered more beautiful by some. There you have some point though really its easy enough to lay out numbered streets of labeled structures and use bookmarks for regularly visited structures.

I suspect that the biggest reason for disagreement and the biggest issue for which large POS corps want a freebie is -- having online space for all those members who are never in the wh or only seldom visit and only briefly (typically 70-95% of corp). Personally I think that corp management who want to cut fuel costs just need to say NO to users who have not plans for making significant contributions in the wh economy or security. I have always suspected that is what all those offline POS in wh about...POS with storage for people who only show up in wh on special holidays. Its always easier to not manage people than to set and implement any given policy.

I have over 5M m3 of personal stuff at our POS so I know about storage needs growing fast. Its not all online at once. There is at least that most corp shared stuff. I just disagrees with unlimited storage for free.

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40-10k m3? I guess we wont be dooing much PI..

If the disgruntled member with fuel bay access can do this it means that you can too. Take an alt, store enough of necessary item X to get by in your alt's section of the PHC and the problem is solved at the cost of some of your alt's storage space. If the changes happen as they are currently laid out, you'll also be protected from disgruntled director level people from attempting to deny resources.
I understand yours and others concerns about not having control over everything in your pos, but I don't see this PHA as being for you. It's for all the shlubs with limited roles who just want a little personal space to put **** in without having to trust everyone in a game where you're taught very early to trust no one. The PHA is for CEOs and directors only insofar as it will make your corpies happy.

Isn't there an easier way to address it, that will benefit multiple groups of players at once?
Rework the audit log containers (station containers included), add "Anchored" configuration flag.
Container can be anchored in space or in corporation hangar. Only person knowing the configuration password may unanchor (and therefore move) the container. This will instantly simplify the hangar access roles configuration.
The account that have anchored the container will have unlimited transparent access to it's content without the need to enter password. The access password may be used to let other people access container contents, and configuration password - to access container configuration (at all times, there should be no transparent access to container config). This way, if you trust your directors, you may let them know the password and they could unanchor and move your container, if need.
To make it running smoothly, can we please have all nearby shared facilities visible in the inventory window?...
This will also benefit people without POS - they may anchor some containers in their area of operation and share goods this way.

Well that is the thing - its usually only a few members of a corp that do a lot of PI.

So why give every corp member 10M m3 when most have never have been in wh after corp orientation?


So it would be good to give those few that need lots of space - the space they need.
Or at least fewer competitors for the limited total space in a given PSH.


Sounds like Fozzie is on that in some crude manner but just has not decided total size of each PSH.
Apparently also not decided whether each hangar user has a max space quota or if everyone with right to given PSH
has a variable used size until no free space exists in that entire PSH. Sort of sounds like he favors latter as its what old CSH uses.

Why not start from this instead, and remove the shield already?... Before adding more clutter to the system.
You have the code to support it. It is the same code that run outposts. Make POS modules be "exposed services", adjust visuals and you'll get much more robust system.
Then adding more hangar arrays will increase POS storage capabilities rather than fragment it.

Enormous Freight Container, the old Hanger, etc.

It is hardly perfect, but ccp is looking at this new hanger as a method of immediate security of your cool bling bling modules, not a secure hold to put everything you get in there. If you are that low on the totem pole in your corporation, then you probably should not be bringing in THAT much crap into the corp anyway.

In addition, there are alternative ways of giving out space or locations for people to stow PI. A POS with 1 of the new hangers, and one of the old hangers. Old hanger for bulk volume (which would be hard to steal cause its so damn much), and the new one to hold your cool bling stuff.

People can make this work, but I think that it won't be easy, but definitely better than it is atm.

I like that idea a lot. I'd definitely use that kind of POS module.

Paraphrasing - That's one small step for a community, one giant leap for CCP