Ships & Modules

Looking for advice to my cnr fit please, evehq says i have 86,488ehp with missile volley of 3,503 / 451 dps
just going to use this for lvl3 and 4 missions, got a bit bored with my tengu. i am a tight sod so only use t1 missiles
the small Nosferatu is only because i wanted to try it out will probably put a drone augmentation link module in its place, i am not sure if i will buy caldari navy ballistic contol systems. should i put flares and rigors in the rig slots or leave these alone?
at the moment as it is i seem to be able to hold my own

[Raven Navy Issue, ☼ Mr.C.P BlackCrow1 ☼ 2]

7x 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I (Scourge Cruise Missile)
Small Nosferatu II

Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
100MN Afterburner II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

3x Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
Signal Amplifier II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Bay Loading Accelerator I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

Nosie doens't work.

go to mission specific hardeners, if you can drop one for either target painter or cap booster.

will free a rigg.

I'd get an MJD to use aside the AB, MJD gets you out tight situations without needing to warp out and get you at disired long range.

AB is more usefull to get to gates at 40km, though I've seen people do it with MJD jumps. :)

I'd go for the CN BCU's especialy since you're DPS is quite low for a CNR, though my guess is that your cruise skills are lacking at the moment.

If you skills are low, a Scorpion Navy Issue would be better.

However, if you want to fly a CNR... start by training up Guided Missile Precision and Target Navigation Prediction to level 4... level 5 isn't required, but would be better.

Replace your rigs with Large Warhead Rigor Catalysts If you are short on cash Tech 1s work fine. A Tech 2 and two tech ones is slightly better. Some swear by two Large Warhead Rigor Catalysts and one Large Warhead Flare Catalyst. Either will work.

Why all of this? Cruise missiles 'un-buffed' have trouble applying full damage to some Battleships.. let alone small ships. You need decreased the signature radius of you missiles.

If I was going to use a CNR, then TBH I'd go for something like this:

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Gist A-Type Large Shield Booster
Gist A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist A-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner
Imperial Navy Heavy Capacitor Booster,Navy Cap Booster 800

Cruise Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Hobgoblin II x 5

Zainou 'Snapshot' Cruise Missiles CM-605
Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Management SM-705
Zainou 'Deadeye' Guided Missile Precision GP-805
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-905
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005

It gives 1025 DPS with Lvl 5 skills. Or you can swap the DC for a DDA and gain 100 DPS. The Gist resists aren't that expensive, and the cost can be justified for a serious Lvl 4 runner. The only way to get more missile DPS is to use a Golem, and that's not without it's own issues.

@ above fit. I'm sure it would perform beautifully, but imho there's almost no point in using a Gist Large booster if you're going to fit a cap injector anyway.

1. Considering you're using a large shield booster and not an X-Large, you should not need to fit a coprocessor. you can save huge amounts of cpu by upgrading to faction damage mods or upgrading to caldari navy or dread guristas shield hardeners (affordable). Freeing up an entire lowslot is a big deal.

2. Those rigs are all kinds of bad. Extender with active tank is generally pointless, warhead damage rig is heavily penalized and doesn't address the problem of damage application. CCC is fine if you're not going with a cap injector.

Irrelevant. You knew to train your TNP and GMP skills to level 5, you should understand this.



Also.. did you use t1 missiles only with your tengu ??? That might explain why you're bored with it. Until you get t2 cruise missiles this will never out-dps a tengu on anything, particularly with HM spec 5 and implants.

Thank you. The Gist A-Type Large is there for CPU (I'm not sure an XL would fit). A Pith A-Type Large may fit as well, but I'm not 100% sure on that. The Cap Booster is there for insurance, I don't want to have to use it unless really necessary.

Your raw DPS dropped with a change of rigs. The amount you actually can apply to smaller than Battleship targets has increased.

Your skills look good, but If I can put on my salesman hat and try to sale you on this skill.

Cruise Missiles Level 5 is a sneaky skill. To train to level 5 take around 20 days and seems to offer only 5% increase in damage, so why spend that time? The truth is Level 5 offers a lot more than that. It is a door to a significant increase in DPS.

On achieving CM Level 5 you can quickly train up Cruise Missile Specialization to level 3 in a day. Together that is an 11% increase in DPS, but CM Level 5 also allows you to use T2 launchers and T2 missiles.

A standard Cruise Missile is rated at 300 points and at present with your skills, ship and equipment you are getting 438 DPS. T2 Fury are rated at 384 or a 28% increase in damage. Combine this with the 11% increase for CM level5 and CM Spec 3 your skills and your DPS will jump to over 600 vs Battleships.

In effect, within one day of achieving CM Level 5… your DPS goes up almost 40% against BS.

here is my drake fit any advice on that?

[Drake, ☼ MCP RoacH 13 ☼]

6x Heavy Missile Launcher II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
2x Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Damage Control II
3x Ballistic Control System II

2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

2x Hobgoblin I
1x Infiltrator I
1x Warrior I

5764x Scourge Heavy Missile


sod it i may aswell go the full hog and post my tengu fit aswell :)

[Tengu, ☼ McP-Ugly-Bird 13 ☼]
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6x Heavy Missile Launcher II

10MN Afterburner II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Medium Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II

3x Ballistic Control System II

2x Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

9136x Scourge Heavy Missile

cheers for any tips and critisism be it good or bad.

For your tengu, this fit is a good fit to start playing with:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/34086-Tengu-PvE-Minimum-Spec.html

Dont worry too much about what EFT or whatever says about your tank, you sig/speed tank 99% of it. Just shoot targets in a priority of smallest>largest handling stasis towers with extreme prejudice. My fit is similar and I think I've *had* to use both boosters in the angel bonus room and full room/all spawns there aggro in room 1 of the assault, maybe.

It's old, but still mainly valid, not *too* expensive...certainly if that fit is too pricey, one must question the use of the hull at all....


I second the vote of moving, even temporarily, to the SNI if you're having fitting issues with the CNR. It's a tight fit for the most part but if it's not fully fitted you're really cheating yourself out of its full potential.

I also agree on the fury & target painter move (two if you can). It's brilliant.

This is my Drake fit for comparison:

[PVE - Active (HML)]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Imperial Navy Medium Capacitor Booster,Navy Cap Booster 800
Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Hobgoblin II x 5

This fit gives 607 DPS - more than enough for any Lvl 3 mission.