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And you thought HI was too safe???? Welcome to Thunderdome™

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#481 - 2013-04-02 23:36:34 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
It's conditional PvP in a game suppose to be ABOUT 24/7 PvP.


Seems you misunderstood "hyper-competitive PvP environment" as "a fragfest like Darkfall"

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#482 - 2013-04-02 23:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
When you manufacture, you can setup 30+ days worth of manufacturing. Nerf manufacturing, it's a passive income.

When you buy/sell at the market, you can setup buy/sell orders that last for 90 days. Nerf buying/selling, it's a passive income.

And these create resources out of thin air how?

They create resources in the same manner moonmining does. You insert POS fuel, out poops moongoo. You insert minerals to a manufacturing slot, out poops various stuff. You insert isk into buy orders, out poops various stuff. You insert various stuff into sell orders, out poops isk.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#483 - 2013-04-02 23:39:59 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
When you manufacture, you can setup 30+ days worth of manufacturing. Nerf manufacturing, it's a passive income.

When you buy/sell at the market, you can setup buy/sell orders that last for 90 days. Nerf buying/selling, it's a passive income.

And these create resources out of thin air how?

They create resources in the same manner moonmining does. You insert POS fuel, out poops moongoo. You insert minerals to a manufacturing slot, out poops various stuff. You insert isk into buy orders, out poops various stuff. You insert various stuff into sell orders, out poops isk.

Ok if you believe they are the same thing.

Not that it matters I think Odyssey will butcher moon mining, or at least redistribute the number of moons holding any mineral, so they will not be worth much anyway.

Now if they stop them being top down income as well the better it will be lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#484 - 2013-04-02 23:41:44 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Ok if you believe they are the same thing.

They're the same thing, but different.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#485 - 2013-04-02 23:41:44 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
It's conditional PvP in a game suppose to be ABOUT 24/7 PvP.
There's nothing conditional about it, so no.

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But somehow I can't smartbomb a dock with the same ships seen and used all over EvE. What?
Your point being?

Murk Paradox wrote:
Well, considering you don't need seperate man hours to produce at the same time....
…overlooking the fact that you do need to spend man-hours to produce. Wait. Why should I consider a scenario that has no connection to reality again?

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It's all in the rate isn't it? What's the cycle time on a moon mining pos, let's do this per hour like you were fond of....

How much moongo is cycled per hour, and how how many of those hours do you need to be online for it to cycle?
Oh dear. Maybe you should go and have a look at how moon mining arrays actually work. It's not something I'm “fond of” — it's how the game works. What?
You should probably also go back in the thread and look at what it is we're counting and what type of hour we're counting by…

It cycles 168 times a week, and in that time, by your account, you need to spend just under 1,000 man-hours to ensure that it does. So if that's how you want to break it down: you need to spend ~5.5 hours online for every hour of moon mining.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#486 - 2013-04-03 02:38:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
There's nothing conditional about it, so no.


There are conditions. Just look where you can't use smartbombs.

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Your point being?


Read above.

When I play PvP I use every and any high damage AoE I can find. L-o-v-e blowing up masses. If I can't get in due to whatever block, I'll find a way to rig up a vehicle with explosives and run it into the enemy's defensives. If I can't get a vehicle in, I'd pod or whatever in and drop them.

Can't do that in EvE, there's conditions on what can be used and where.

Carebear PvP.

Study warfare. Those generals and admirals didn't play by the book, they reinvented the book instead. They didn't wait for the President to give the order, they used their noodle and improvised as needed.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#487 - 2013-04-03 02:41:13 UTC
Andski wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
It's conditional PvP in a game suppose to be ABOUT 24/7 PvP.


Seems you misunderstood "hyper-competitive PvP environment" as "a fragfest like Darkfall"


What's competitive with Goons camping gates again?

What's competitive with blob fleets?

What's competitive when or where you can even use a weapon?

Nothing "hyper" there but hype.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#488 - 2013-04-03 02:50:25 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
There are conditions. Just look where you can't use smartbombs.

I suggest you remove that condition and see what happens. I'm sure we'll make good use of that on, say, the jita undock.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#489 - 2013-04-03 02:54:45 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
I suggest you remove that condition and see what happens. I'm sure we'll make good use of that on, say, the jita undock.


I can't without getting sanctioned or permabanned.

But go ahead, Zim. I'm sure you can fly a bigger ship than I with a massive bomb that can crater the naval station, right?

Lol

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#490 - 2013-04-03 02:55:11 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Andski wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
It's conditional PvP in a game suppose to be ABOUT 24/7 PvP.


Seems you misunderstood "hyper-competitive PvP environment" as "a fragfest like Darkfall"


What's competitive with Goons camping gates again?


Anyone who wants to compete with them for control of the gate.

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What's competitive with blob fleets?


Anyone who wants to compete with them for the space they're controlling.

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What's competitive when or where you can even use a weapon?


That's not a comprehensible sentence.


Every game has mechanics. One of the mechanics in EVE is that you cannot use AOE damage weaponry in range of a station (Bombs and Smartbombs). Just like you cannot warp to 200 or target our past 250km. How you can compete with someone has no bearing on whether you're allowed to compete with them.

In Chess, you cannot move a pawn 4 spaces forward on the first move. Does that make Chess "not competitive"?


If you want to kill people on an undock, use targeted weaponry. There's nothing stopping you from doing that.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#491 - 2013-04-03 03:14:23 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Quote:
What's competitive when or where you can even use a weapon?


That's not a comprehensible sentence.


Every game has mechanics. One of the mechanics in EVE is that you cannot use AOE damage weaponry in range of a station (Bombs and Smartbombs). Just like you cannot warp to 200 or target our past 250km. How you can compete with someone has no bearing on whether you're allowed to compete with them.

In Chess, you cannot move a pawn 4 spaces forward on the first move. Does that make Chess "not competitive"?


If you want to kill people on an undock, use targeted weaponry. There's nothing stopping you from doing that.


It's comprehensive enough, because the conditions are when or where you can even use your weapons.

EvE isn't chess. EvE is a space shooter. It's more aligned with a FPS game in space with a missing WASD. This is probably why you're confused to why CONCORD = Protection. CONCORD is like the guards in Stormwind, slow/off attacking the enemy, and you will die as someone tanks them while attacking you. You know darn right CONCORD isn't much of any protection, or your Goons wouldn't be gatecamping in high-sec.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#492 - 2013-04-03 03:16:17 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Ace Uoweme wrote:
It's comprehensive enough, because the conditions are when or where you can even use your weapons.


1. Comprehensible. Not comprehensive. Two entirely different words.

2. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not there can be competition in those areas (as in, you can use other weapons or bump your target until you can use Smartbombs on them).

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EvE isn't chess. EvE is a space shooter. It's more aligned with a FPS game in space with a missing WASD. This is probably why you're confused to why CONCORD = Protection. CONCORD is like the guards in Stormwind, slow/off attacking the enemy, and you will die as someone tanks them while attacking you. You know darn right CONCORD isn't much of any protection, or your Goons wouldn't be gatecamping in high-sec.


3. CONCORD cannot be Tanked.

4. Never said how much protection CONCORD provides, just that that is the service it provides. Just like the fact that a Bulletproof vest does not provide perfect protection does not indicate that protection is not the service that it provides.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#493 - 2013-04-03 04:00:18 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
It's comprehensive enough, because the conditions are when or where you can even use your weapons.


1. Comprehensible. Not comprehensive. Two entirely different words.


Nearly 12am and I'm the only one posting to you.

Going back to YouTube. It's at least more interesting than exchanging word definitions...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWkOeK5AmI8

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#494 - 2013-04-03 04:38:49 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Ace Uoweme wrote:
It's at least more interesting than exchanging word definitions...


That was tangential to the point of my post. (But you hang on to that thin thread of a reason to dodge the point.)

Either way, the conditions of when and where you can use specific weapons have nothing to do with whether or not those areas can be host to competition.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#495 - 2013-04-03 07:56:37 UTC
Gotta say this thread " Welcome to Thunderdome™" was ineresting from all the discusion brought up... especially since maybe beacuse of it ( or not ) Thunderdome™" never happened: has there been any staged NULL fights between CFC & HBC yet worth mentioning?
Its looking like before a single NULL Thunderdome™ fight being started what we're going to get is a Jita burns staged in HI SEC again Bear
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'