EVE General Discussion

So low value moons would be untenable or absolute **** for reaction, driving up prices, whereas high quality moons would require a restructure of the reaction farm which would, at the very least, increase the workload. And then we would add the fact that every 160k moon has to be rescanned every x months, every POS torn down and put up on new moons, downtime inbetween, etc etc etc.

The problem with this is by removing a bottleneck you create a new one somewhere else in the chain. Coming back to the real world when markets and segments have low competition you will see a premium in price until the # of competitors increases or when an alternative (or a better word is substitute) is available. The main thing is companies like depandancies and when the percieved value of dependance is decreased companies will try a lot hard to better themselves or move markets. This type of game play would drive me nuts and would keep me engaged. What alternatives are there to Technietium moon mining? There isn't any.

What would be great is the discovery of new materials that follow the simple -> complex reaction process to end up with techneitum. Or in the BOM for a Advanced material instead of 100 PT you use 1000 Hexite. The game play is out there somewhere and I wish CCP did more brainstorming this way where the topic was:


IDEAS FOR NEW GAMING STYLES: Moon Mining

Not to replace the current system but to create alternatives.

or


IDEAS FOR NEW GAMING STYLES: Combating the Nano ships (sadly the nerf hammer came out on this one, another case of reacting to an in-balance by taking it away for all when i would much prefer a proactive mentality and add to combating nano's)

or

IDEAS FOR NEW GAMING STYLES: Bringing back solo pvp surely dueling can somehow be a much more advanced system than what it is at the moment. A bunch of t1 alt repping noobs.

I haven't moon mined in a while now, so the scanning logistics snuck past me. I still think that something along these lines could occur based on the comments from CCP discussing the need for miners to get out of their rut and explore more.

A possible solution to the scanning logistics is the introduction of a system scan; either through POS module, Sov Upgrade, or onboard scanner, that allows you to scan the whole systems moons in one shot. The result would be a total quantity of each type of goo available in the system, maybe even going as far as to say which planet the resource orbits (i.e. Planet V has a Tech moon).

Another filler for the downtime between locating new moons is the hopeful introduction of the ring mining first introduced at last years Fanfest. This could create a slow trickle of various moon goos that could fill in temporary voids between POS relocations.

Removing the need/reason for us industrialists to have 4+ accounts.

If CCP wants to see subscription rates plummet, then they should change mining from a tedious affair that encouranges people to run many accounts, to some quick, in, grab, out, race/fight.


The only question for me, if CCP makes a change like this is, unsub 3 of my 4 accounts, or all 4?

FYFYP

And suicide ganking has, more often than not, proper feedback in the form of tears, whereas the asteroid ... disappears, and leaves you with a ton of crap which has to be hauled to a station, refined, then hauled to another station for manufacturing (or to jita for sale vOv).

You got the answer right!
POS fuel alone will knock it down to just over 7. Then there are transportation costs, sov bills and whatnot i can't be bothered to try to calculate.

Here's something I am willing to take a stab at though.

So a single mack has to spend just over 17 hours per day mining to match the income. What does it take for the moon to match the effort in man hours?

A 500 man 2-hour CTA will have an opportunity cost of 1,000 man hours. This means that if the moon is threatened at a rate of once every 58 days causing such a CTA, the income and effort will match that of shooting rocks in high sec (plus the effort of running the POS, moving the stuff, selling it etc). Assuming the defense fleet has no losses that is. If it does, you make less and increase the effort by having to rebuild/haul something. At that point, you might as well go mine veld in high as a "corp op".

Doubling the size of the fleet, means having to show up and defend it at a rate of once every 4 months for two hours to break even.

Another comparison:
I have three characters (just one account worth) doing PI. I passively make 2.75 mil an hour "for free with no effort". And I only have the relevant skills to level 4 on all three characters. I would venture the management effort and logistics are comparable. Three accounts would surpass the moon income. Two with perfect skills and a more efficient setup, than what I can be bothered to maintain. The system I am in can probably support up to 8-10 accounts doing so, or ~4 Tech moons worth. I would also wager the number of systems like this far exceeds 500.

We're talking about moon income in the neighborhood of 5.4 bil a month on an alliance level. My tiny insignificant corp makes half that just off the PI taxes.


So how's about an easier way to balance something like this? Good moons, bad planets. Good plantes, bad moons. Suddenly you have relatively balanced resource potential region to region, without something as ludicrous as the suggestion in the OP. Is it a conflict driver? That depends. Do you want to haul in POS fuel? Or take some systems with bad moons, but fuel producing planets? Or maybe a trade deal with your neighbor is in order?

It's written by volunteers that may not have taken any part in the events that they are writing about.

Even if we ignore the fact that EVElopedia often has wrong or misleading information about objectively measurable game mechanics, they may not be operating with enough information to write a good history book, and they are constrained by their format to writing a summary that leaves lots of things out.

It's like saying: "Here's what I read on the intro section of the WWII Wikipedia page, and that's all there is to know on the subject."

And again, the group that held the most Tech moons ever (at least since the R64 Nerf/Tech buff when Tech started mattering) was the NC. They got their **** kicked in by the DRF which did not own any Tech moons until they took them from the NC.

The CFC owns fewer Tech moons and earns less income per Tech moon than the Northern Coalition did.

Sure. When you start demonstrating that you read and understand entire posts before responding to them.

I would find it rather amusing when people started whining like mad because nobody plays dust, and the price on anything moongoo-related shot through the roof.