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FINAL DETAILS OF CALDARI PRIME DMZ ANNOUNCED
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#81 - 2013-04-02 16:35:22 UTC
It is worth noting that any interference with these operations, by the CPD or by the Navy, if they are so misguided as to actually do so, will be a clear violation of corporate sovereignty and will therefore be a State crime, as there has been no order from the CEP to interfere with these operations, and considering those currently involved, it seems clear no such order will be forthcoming.

Now is the time for the CEP to come out and make it clear that there must be no interference with these operations, so that the officers of the Navy understand their full duties as the military arm of the Panel. It is also imperative that officers of the Navy follow the chain of command -- the Navy's orders originate from the CEP, not any single CEO or other supposed authority. To do otherwise would be treasonous, and I know that the most within the Navy seek only to serve the best interests of the State.

If there is a belief on the part of some corporations that these convoys are in violation of the law, then your clear legal recourse is to call for the Tribunal investigation -- anything more would be a blatant violation of corporate sovereignty. The Navy is not the enforcer of intercorporate law unless ordered to do so by the CEP.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#82 - 2013-04-02 17:05:15 UTC
Still, despite being more complicated than SuVee having been a supporter and now no longer being one, it does show that the Megacorporations are willing to go against the whims of Executor Heth. They would only do this if they feel that public sentiment is turning against Heth.

Heth being marginalized can only be good for the State, provided that he doesn't attempt to lash out.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#83 - 2013-04-02 17:22:28 UTC
Lialus Raithe wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Sukuuvesta Corporation one of Executor Heth's strongest supporters?


They are Practicals for a reason, they will stab Heth in the back when the situation will fit them.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#84 - 2013-04-02 17:53:06 UTC
'Stab him in the back?' Interesting turn of phrase.

Perhaps 'no longer support him' or 'abide by public sentiment' might be more reasonable ones.

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Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#85 - 2013-04-02 18:05:40 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Lialus Raithe wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Sukuuvesta Corporation one of Executor Heth's strongest supporters?


They are Practicals for a reason, they will stab Heth in the back when the situation will fit them.


That's...not exactly how I'd put it.

I'm sure any Caldari could correct me here but I've always seen Practicals as being absent any tangential loyalties.

By that I mean they do not claim loyalty to any set of ideals, ethics, principles or people. It is simply for the State and the Caldari. Alawys choose the most efficient, effective method for benefiting the State and subsequently themselves. If Executor Heth is that method then support him. The moment he ceases being that method, support the preferred one.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#86 - 2013-04-02 19:16:42 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
It is worth noting that any interference with these operations, by the CPD or by the Navy, if they are so misguided as to actually do so, will be a clear violation of corporate sovereignty and will therefore be a State crime, as there has been no order from the CEP to interfere with these operations, and considering those currently involved, it seems clear no such order will be forthcoming.

Funny you should mention that. I received a disturbing communique earlier from Sami Okuuda regarding the supplies SuVee will be providing, and the message seems to be a call for capsuleers to support a naval interdiction. I later recieved a message from the CEP asking me to ignore the directives of the Navy on this issue, so something has gone wrong somewhere along the chain of command.

I am currently indisposed at the moment due to my operations being several wormholes removed from Caldari space, but despite my previous loyalties to the Navy, I hope anyone else who received the same messages as me, comply with wishes of the CEP rather than the Navy as the former carries ultimate authority.

Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Lialus Raithe wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Sukuuvesta Corporation one of Executor Heth's strongest supporters?


They are Practicals for a reason, they will stab Heth in the back when the situation will fit them.

That's a bit disingenuous. First of all the corporations and their CEOs are beholden to their stockholders and the Caldri people more than to any one man. Second, Heth has made some bad decisions recently, so they are fully within their rights to change their policies. "Stabbing Heth in the back" is not really an accurate description of the chain of events.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#87 - 2013-04-02 19:36:29 UTC
Kraid-haan, could you share more information about Okuuda-haan's concerns? That is a very curious sequence of events. I wonder if it occurred while information on the establishment of a DMZ was still filtering out...?

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#88 - 2013-04-02 19:58:24 UTC
The message was quite short. It claims that the Caldari State will be attempting to prevent SuVee from "misallocating assets bookmarked for use in the war effort against the Gallente Federation" He then mentions to expect resistance from the Peace and Order Unit, but requests loyal capsuleers help in "preventing Sukuuvestaa from inappropriately using assets"

Odo Hakaalen of the CEP sent a message a little bit later claiming those assets are private property of Sukuuvestaa, and asked for assistance in safeguarding and transport of the materials which he says are going toward Caldari Prime relief efforts.

I am a bit concerned since Okuuda is supposed to be under investigation at the moment (or at least that's what Heth promised a few days ago), and it seems this act is against the wishes of the CEP. The operation is supposed to begin in a few minutes, so keep an eye on the news.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#89 - 2013-04-02 20:12:07 UTC
I'll be able to access my pod in the next ten minutes. Please eve-mail me with any known rally points.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#90 - 2013-04-02 21:05:15 UTC
The CEP ruling was enforced, through the application of firepower.

Sadly many Peace and Order crewmen lost their lives doing so, thanks to the fickle Capsuleer alliances who attended, but the Templis Dragonaur forces were routed and the supplies were successfully escorted to Home.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#91 - 2013-04-02 21:22:55 UTC
Unfortunately, I was unable to heed the call to arms from the CEP. Can you provide any details about the events that transpired?
The fact you mention the Templis Dragonaurs concerns me greatly. Had I realized they would be involved I may very well have sacrificed a clone to return to Caldari space immediately, as their fervor threatens to destroy everything the State has worked for.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#92 - 2013-04-02 22:51:57 UTC
Essentially as the Peace and Order forces were forming up, Templis Dragonaurs appeared and started calling everyone Traitors. Peace and Order refused to stand down at Dragonaur orders. Templis Dragonaurs refused to stand down in turn.

The shooting started soon thereafter, with the Templis Dragonaurs taking the worst of it. Unfortunately there were many capsuleers of dubious loyalty in system who pretended to feelings of partisanship that I'm sure were false in order to engage the Peace and Order ships. To be honest it was a bit of a mess.

Once the dust had settled the Suuvee Freighters emerged and were escorted as far as the Gallente border by the combined Caldari/Concord Loyalist fleets. All those who weren't militia flagged then completed the escort all the way to Caldari Prime and also covered the Freighters on the way home.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#93 - 2013-04-02 23:05:00 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Essentially as the Peace and Order forces were forming up, Templis Dragonaurs appeared and started calling everyone Traitors. Peace and Order refused to stand down at Dragonaur orders. Templis Dragonaurs refused to stand down in turn.

The shooting started soon thereafter, with the Templis Dragonaurs taking the worst of it. Unfortunately there were many capsuleers of dubious loyalty in system who pretended to feelings of partisanship that I'm sure were false in order to engage the Peace and Order ships. To be honest it was a bit of a mess.

Once the dust had settled the Suuvee Freighters emerged and were escorted as far as the Gallente border by the combined Caldari/Concord Loyalist fleets. All those who weren't militia flagged then completed the escort all the way to Caldari Prime and also covered the Freighters on the way home.


Vouching.

Katrina Oniseki
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#94 - 2013-04-02 23:19:24 UTC
Interesting turn of events. Any public communication from the Dragonaurs?

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#95 - 2013-04-02 23:35:01 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Interesting turn of events. Any public communication from the Dragonaurs?


In space, noone can hear you scream.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Christine Anderson
Sela Media Corporation
#96 - 2013-04-02 23:43:28 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
In space, noone can hear you scream.

Due to communications recording devices, one might consider that in space, everyone can hear you scream. I have to admit that the Templis Dragonaurs - or at least the Caldari Providence Directorate - probably have more qualified public relations staff than the fine people sent to Yoshenen.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#97 - 2013-04-02 23:47:37 UTC
Christine Anderson wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
In space, noone can hear you scream.

Due to communications recording devices, one might consider that in space, everyone can hear you scream. I have to admit that the Templis Dragonaurs - or at least the Caldari Providence Directorate - probably have more qualified public relations staff than the fine people sent to Yoshenen.


No, literally in Space. As in, post-explosive decompression.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#98 - 2013-04-02 23:57:57 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Interesting turn of events. Any public communication from the Dragonaurs?


In space, noone can hear you scream.


Before you smeared their biomass and smouldering metal across space, smartarse.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#99 - 2013-04-03 02:04:56 UTC
Traitors and murderers accusing the State of being such.
Now that's real cute.

Very bad news they have gained enough traction to be able to pull stunts like this.
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#100 - 2013-04-03 08:49:25 UTC
I am very proud to work under the wings of Ishukone. My fellow kirjuun continue to reflect the utmost in honor and wisdom, setting aside silly pride in order to help bring an end to the continual suffering brought upon us by this utterly pointless war. I will continue to exercise the best of my abilities to assist my corporation and my State wherever it might suit them. The sun seems as though it may finally be rising - let us hope so.

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