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Market Bots?

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Mila Chancel
Fungibility Inc.
Invisible Exchequer
#21 - 2013-04-02 19:37:18 UTC
Now, the one ending .96 has moved to .93 (the one which had not been touched for an hour.

It has been the top order now for 3 minutes (10 by the time I posted this)...so, either the bot forgot to update for 55 minutes, or, the bot is not the one who updated, and the bot has now logged off, smack in the transection of EU and US prime time...... (Not a good plan for a bot)

Jita 4/4


DISCLAIMER: This is not me saying that there are no bots, it is me saying that this item does not have a bot at present, or if it does, it is crap, and forgot to inform the owner for almost an hour that it had been outbid, or, if it is one of the other orders, it has not yet realised it has been outbid after 10 minutes.


Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#22 - 2013-04-02 19:37:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Books
there are 3 orders, being updated almost exactly 30 min each, creating a 10 min price modification over the 3 items.

I suspect the seconds are not perfect due to internet lagg, as all traders know, sometimes it will lagg for a second or 3 most of the time it wont.

Im leaning towards a macro that simply modifies prices on each of the 3 items every 30 min spaced exactly 10 min apart from each other, probably backed up by a 2nd macro to make sure some one doesn't come by and starts scrolly wheeling.

Since macro's are allowed, then whats to stop some one from using multiple macro's that are intertwined in an intricate manor?

Whats to stop some one from seeing this and doing the same thing, then a 3rd person?
How soon before some one who wont care about anything and just let it rip across 50 characters and just take the market for a month before CCP takes out macro use and API market functions and ruin this for EVERY ONE (including macro and non macro users?)

-- Normally I wouldn't care, but it seems like this will soon become very annoying and if not halted, statistically speaking, the chances of me eventually becoming actively annoyed are much greater then not over the course of the next 12 months.

Furthermore, since I cannot find any websites opensourcing this, then we will soon be looking at a mass public anoyance, Im not going to say imminent but... this needs to be fixed in a civilized manor (I.E. without removal of market API functions and allowance of Macro use) before something bad happens and im pretty sure it will.

(edited)
what about a scrolly wheel macro that rely's on market average price?

Are we all to start using macro's to stay on the market?
Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
#23 - 2013-04-02 19:47:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Jita
I've dealt with many market bots over the years and all the fully automated ones I have seen wait a minimum of 10 minutes befure updating, and some also tack on another random 10 minutes to that. Also if you set up a scam margin order with a buy above the lowest sell they will instantly cancel, use this trick to find out for sure. Instant updaters are people just protecting their markets.
They COULD be using an automated tool to alert them they been outbid, but theyre probably doing the actual updating by hand.
Rengerel en Distel
#24 - 2013-04-02 20:02:27 UTC
I once mailed someone i thought was a bot, asking for the list of items he buys, so i could simply pick other items. He gets to stay on top all the time, I get to actually buy some stuff too, figured it was a win win. This was his response to me:

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My Name ist Robo^^ RoboroBOTnic.. . ;)

I dont use bots i buy all items.. . nothing list..


I reported him as a bot, he went away for 3 days. He came back, and instead of being on all the time, he logs on every 15 min, updates his orders and logs off. Market bots and people using "tools" do a lot of harm to the market. It's great those using them enjoy it, but doesn't make it right.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#25 - 2013-04-02 20:05:35 UTC
Crazy idea. Solution to the bot problem. Move off HUB.

I am sure you will find this has benefits, and you dont have to bother with competing with bots or with bot-like humans.

Not sure what you are trading, but if its something not pure HUB centric like moon-pooh I can asure you there is good reasons to start thinking out of hubs.

Also the more people start moving off hub, the more the bot issue gets resolved. Unless bots can suddenly shift stations easily, oh and remote stacking should mess up their functions. (maybe this is the only argument for keeping the remote stack issue unresolved)
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#26 - 2013-04-02 20:16:44 UTC
I am locking this thread as there is already a similar thread on the same topic that started earlier than this one.

So if gladly refer you to this thread, to continue the discussion.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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