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[ISSUE] Assembly Hall is a mess
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Solo Player
#1 - 2011-10-28 23:41:24 UTC
I'm not going to get many likes for this, and probably a lot of flame, but I need to get this out.

Assembly Hall as a subforum originally had a clear purpose: A place to present both issues and proposals to the public, have them garner support from our peers and thus bring them to the attention of the CSM in the hopes of getting it on their list of things they will talk about at the next summit.

It is not the place to ask for feedback on a vague idea you just had. We have the I&D subforum for that.
It is not the place for rants. Neither is it the place to chat up/slander your favourite CMS member. We have the JPC subforum for that.
It is not the place for general discussion on this aspect or that. Guess which subforum that should go into.
It is also not the place to shove our intellectual superiority in anyone's face that has a different opinion from ours. We don't really have a subforum dedicated to that, though.

Yet I find the Assembly Hall to be hardly moderated. [PROPOSALS] with no sensible title and just a short one-liner inside remain in the Hall next to prolonged personal feuds. This way, I think the Hall has become an intransparent mess that cannot properly serve its purpose anymore.

I believe action is required such as either strict moderation (possibly by the CSM themselves?), education on how to properly peruse the subforum or both of them.

Is this just an issue to me?
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-10-28 23:51:48 UTC
Solo Player wrote:
I'm not going to get many likes for this, and probably a lot of flame, but I need to get this out.

Assembly Hall as a subforum originally had a clear purpose: A place to present both issues and proposals to the public, have them garner support from our peers and thus bring them to the attention of the CSM in the hopes of getting it on their list of things they will talk about at the next summit.

It is not the place to ask for feedback on a vague idea you just had. We have the I&D subforum for that.
It is not the place for rants. Neither is it the place to chat up/slander your favourite CMS member. We have the JPC subforum for that.
It is not the place for general discussion on this aspect or that. Guess which subforum that should go into.
It is also not the place to shove our intellectual superiority in anyone's face that has a different opinion from ours. We don't really have a subforum dedicated to that, though.

Yet I find the Assembly Hall to be hardly moderated. [PROPOSALS] with no sensible title and just a short one-liner inside remain in the Hall next to prolonged personal feuds. This way, I think the Hall has become an intransparent mess that cannot properly serve its purpose anymore.

I believe action is required such as either strict moderation (possibly by the CSM themselves?), education on how to properly peruse the subforum or both of them.

Is this just an issue to me?


You forgot "It's not a place to discuss "out of game" issues such as payment options/issues as CSM has absolutely no control over this.

This is strictly... EVE Online - In-Game.

But I agree...

Supported for stronger moderation.

PS: Yes I'm sure i've been guilty of the above but I'm not the type to roll over and take it in the ass.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#3 - 2011-10-29 03:04:04 UTC
We have volunteer moderators coming soon!

I'll sign up, but if they let me in I'll be viciously stripping the crap out of this forum.

Are you posting an idea for allowing multiple characters to train on the same account in Assembly Hall? Banned for three years without warning! MUHAHAHA!

What? You think that's too severe? Sad *sigh*

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#4 - 2011-10-29 04:04:45 UTC
I won't flame you. I agree. This is a mess. I don't know why people can't get their forum topic in the right spot, but I let it slide for now because I am not a moderator in any form.

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Rawbone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-29 06:07:56 UTC
Solo Player wrote:
I'm not going to get many likes for this, and probably a lot of flame, but I need to get this out.

Assembly Hall as a subforum originally had a clear purpose: A place to present both issues and proposals to the public, have them garner support from our peers and thus bring them to the attention of the CSM in the hopes of getting it on their list of things they will talk about at the next summit.

It is not the place to ask for feedback on a vague idea you just had. We have the I&D subforum for that.
It is not the place for rants. Neither is it the place to chat up/slander your favourite CMS member. We have the JPC subforum for that.
It is not the place for general discussion on this aspect or that. Guess which subforum that should go into.
It is also not the place to shove our intellectual superiority in anyone's face that has a different opinion from ours. We don't really have a subforum dedicated to that, though.

Yet I find the Assembly Hall to be hardly moderated. [PROPOSALS] with no sensible title and just a short one-liner inside remain in the Hall next to prolonged personal feuds. This way, I think the Hall has become an intransparent mess that cannot properly serve its purpose anymore.

I believe action is required such as either strict moderation (possibly by the CSM themselves?), education on how to properly peruse the subforum or both of them.

Is this just an issue to me?


Quoted for truth.
Assembly hall should be more than: "I was ganked and I didn't want to be. CCP make fix."
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-10-29 22:22:06 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Yeah, I agree the forums are messed up but It's not just the Assembly Hall, most channels in each sub forum is messed up, either it has hardly no moderation at all or is heavily moderated.

As for your statement - I believe action is required such as either strict moderation (possibly by the CSM themselves?), education on how to properly peruse the subforum or both of them.

No, I disagee to having the CSM do any moderation at all. That would be placing control in the hands of biased players who have their own agenda. It's bad enough they get to decide which issues to bring up for discussion with CCP. Don't need them having the power to lock threads or remove posted reply's.


Volunteers? Maybe if chosen with a vote done by the general member population who usually frequents that specific sub forum.

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Solo Player
#7 - 2011-10-30 05:56:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Solo Player
Manfred Sideous wrote:
K ugutsumen x a billion


Exactly what I was on about... ;)


DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Volunteers? Maybe if chosen with a vote done by the general member population who usually frequents that specific sub forum.


If we put it to a vote, we already know how those tend to turn out - we might as well just hand moderation to the CSM...

...in fact, letting them moderate would force them to openly show their colours. Either they make a good job of it or they will likely face outrage and then intervention by CCP, no?
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#8 - 2011-10-30 06:19:54 UTC
Part of the problem is that AH is treated as an un-moderated area to promote free discussion on topics regarding the EVE universe without the fear the CCP will/would ever lock a thread simply because they disagreed with a proposal or if someone was vehemently flamed and counter-flamed in the process of a proposal.

However, in its current state, AH is a cacophony of uselessness. People rarely are using the forum search functions (on Chribba's site or the new, much better one on these new forums) to research if an idea has been presented or not. They also think this is a free forum to whine and gripe about issues that are...well...stupid.

I'm very supportive of bringing the hammer down on AH and turning it into a proper discussion forum for creative, well-thought-out ideas for the EVE universe. Let ideas survive the horrors of the F&I subforum or be well-crafted rather than the other garbage that tends to make it here. Start locking and removing threads that shouldn't be in AH or are just blatant trolls.

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Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen
#9 - 2011-10-31 00:19:59 UTC
We do indeed need to clean up the Halls of Assembly.
Have poorly thought out threads locked, for being poorly thought out ( yay for the Redundant Department of Redundancy)
Have CSM **** fits either locked to moved to the Jita Park Center.
People who come here whining about how they lost their ship and its all those evil gankers fault and that High-Sec should be a no pvpzone - Tell them to shuttup, then lock their thread. ( I'm really sick of those people)
Remove troll threads and post (possible putting a 24 hour ban on the poster?? )
AH needs to be a place of good ideas and constructive criticism and polite ways to tell them to **** off.
And have EvE devs offer their opinion on various topics and ask tough questions, if they have the time to moderate all my post, they have the time to look over these proposed ideas.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#10 - 2011-10-31 02:12:53 UTC
Enslave a CCL into this forum when they're picked and you should see a sharp decrease in the number of these things popping up.

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Trinity Windu
Imperial Commandos
#11 - 2011-10-31 19:14:05 UTC
+1 supporting moderation.
Zleon Leigh
#12 - 2012-01-29 04:34:41 UTC
-1 Working as intended

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#13 - 2012-01-29 21:34:23 UTC
Solo Player wrote:
I'm not going to get many likes for this, and probably a lot of flame, but I need to get this out.

Assembly Hall ....It is not the place for rants.


I agree.

Wrong forum.

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Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-02-01 16:15:43 UTC
I believe that only a select few should have the authority to create a new thread in the Assembly Hall. Either a CSM who has had an issue brought to their attention or someone who has been given the authority to post their well thought out and discussed idea for a proposal from the Features and Ideas Discussion forum.
Anyone should be able to voice their concern, approval or opinion in any threads that have been opened but not just open their own thread "willy nilly"
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-02-01 16:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
I agree. Most of the problem stems from trolls and peoples flat out unwillingness to discuss issues and tendancy to simply flame someone instead. Pretty much every proposal I have made on the new forums so far is a proposal I have made previously on the old forums that already went through I&D and yet I am continuously told by people to submit to I&D. Guess what...already did that. Not doing it again just to appease one or two people. But you are right...there is a lot of repeat threads and random stuff posted to AH. Frankly if everybody just ignored the threads they don't like instead of flaming and ranting about it the thread would die and dissapear sooner. But people keep bumping these thread to the top because they just cant keep their opinions to themselves. Posting to the topic once is fine to say you don't support it but to continually return and just flame is a problem.

Honestly (to the OP) it is likely that what you ask for will not happen. Recently I just started blocking people and just ignoring the threads I have nothing good or constructive to say in. I find it helps a lot for myself at least.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-02-01 19:05:09 UTC
where do I apply to be an ISD moderator of csm forums so I can turn assembly hall into a posting utopia by enacting one. strict. law.?
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-02-01 19:07:31 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
where do I apply to be an ISD moderator of csm forums so I can turn assembly hall into a posting utopia by enacting one. strict. law.?

I don't think it would be that simple. Likely you have to follow very strict rules of your own and won't be allowed to do whatever you want with peoples posts.

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Paintchk
Facepunch Industries
#18 - 2012-02-02 14:37:16 UTC
Solo Player wrote:
Manfred Sideous wrote:
K ugutsumen x a billion


Exactly what I was on about... ;)


DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Volunteers? Maybe if chosen with a vote done by the general member population who usually frequents that specific sub forum.


If we put it to a vote, we already know how those tend to turn out - we might as well just hand moderation to the CSM...

...in fact, letting them moderate would force them to openly show their colours. Either they make a good job of it or they will likely face outrage and then intervention by CCP, no?




You may be right. If the CSM restricts certain thing then Intervention by CCP is possible. But a vote would be a good idea to players who do pay attention to the forums etc.

CSM is as bad as I;ve been hearing lately CCP would have to do something.