EVE General Discussion

It does depending on the alliance & the persons roll within the alliance. It even happens in highsec. It's amazing what people will do to get you safely kicked out of their corp after you awox everyone then AFK cloak in system for the rest of the day.

That's really the problem with the way that you think, why communication with your type tends to be impossible.

Where did I say anything about CCP's benefit? I'm not ccp, I'm just a consumer, CCP will do what's best for it.\

Who said I had more say than anyone else? Again, I'm not ccp. I'm offering one man's opinion.

If you would spend less time trying to twist what others post to fit some weird conspiracy-like theory and more time trying to understand what's being communicated, you'd find you would argue less and learn more.

Correct it is CCP's game. Theirs to change, theirs to turn into a theme park, theirs to do with as they wish. I guess they will do what keeps them in business regardless of what the forum warriors think. Why continue with the same old tired troll responses?

Either deal with the changes or move on.

I think you mean "No-holds-barred".

The verb "bar" means to block or prevent. Most organized wrestling sanctioning bodies bar certain holds, such as choke holds. So, no-holds-barred means without restrictions on your tactics or actions.

No holds bar sounds like a drinking establishment that does not allow PDA.

At times I kinda wish they'd never made EVE, if things continue as they have, the EVE Experiment will have failed and everyone will know that "the only way to make any MMO is to cater to the lowest common denominator carebears, to hell with hard core gamers and to hell with quailty".



Because that's no different than having "shards" like almost every other game.

What can't their be one good, quality one world game?

Hell, Why can't their be a place for hard core gamers (EVE) and a Place for carebears (the entire rest of the MMO industry including the upcoming Star Citizen and the already available Star Trek online)?



I do live in null, but the economic possibilities of high sec (for me easy as pie incursions and 4/10 farming) are too good to ignore and virtually un-disruptable. It shouldn't be that way, but as long as it is I'll milk it.

The point is why keep advocating that a game change to suit you rather than do what it's traditionally done. Why not go play something you already like rather than swarm to yet another game to water it down (which is why to me carebearism = cancer). We "hard core gamers" don't go to other games and demand hardcore.

PVErs are not the problem,I know, I am one. The entitlement doesn't come from hardcore or even pvp players , it's displayed in the "carebears" expectation of safety even in a game like EVE online, and expectation the as of late CCP has been encouraging.

I'm simply morning the loss of a unique thing. Most of the MMO world is sharded themepark messes. While ccp can deny it all they want, EVE is heading in that general direction. As you can see by this thread, there is no shortage of people happy about that. I think it's a shame and here's hoping for a change in direction one day from CCP that might somehow preserve the traditions and spirit.of one of the few unique video games ever made.

Actually, Everquest did it right originally, before Shadows of Luclin and further expansions. All the major targets and loot droppers were world bosses meaning once they were dead, you had 3 days until they respawned.

On a pvp server, that was fantastic. No player cap in your raid, just lag generated from all those pixels were what hurt your progress. Most dps won. Very competitive, very hardcore because before they had graveyeards, you had X amount of time (or a necro with expensive coffins to summon your corpse) to get your corpse and the loot on it, before it rotted forever. Gone from server. Deleted.

That was when Eve first came about. That was a game that was truly hardcore. Had a specific hard-to-get-into dungeon that if you actually summoned and killed the final boss... the sub bosses that were farmed for at the time badass gear... would disappear.

Gone from game on that server.

That's hardcore.

So I get whhere you are coming from, unfortunately, "greed is good" is not only Eve specific =(. But the problem with complaining about something being broken, yet doing it, is proving that it works, not that it's broken.

If it's broken, petition it. Use it, and it's working as intended.

Quick, what does a Bulletproof Vest provide? Protection.
What's the generic motto of a police force? Protect and Serve.
What's the purpose of the Secret Service Protective detail? To Protect the President.

None of these are preventative agents (the Secret Service has a different part of the structure that does prevention), all of them are referred to as protective. (The US Supreme Court has even ruled on a case saying that the Police have no duty to prevent any specific crime, and thus cannot be held responsible if they fail to do so.)

Concord provides Protection. The Secret Service provides Protection (not one Presidential Assassin or would-be Assassin has gotten away). The Police provide protection (even though a lot of criminals get away wit their crimes). A bulletproof vest provides protection (even though it does nothing to stop someone from shooting you).



Ratting: Worse than (maybe on par with) Incursions (esp using similar Equipment/Equipment value). Missions are no longer the comparison point for HS red-cross-shooting income.
Mining: Clearing a hidden belt is similar income to (as Dave pointed out) Scordite. You can't cherry pick in Null the way you can in HS. Also export costs, because (due to the state of Industry in Nullsec) there's no significant local consumption to sell to.
Exploration: Maybe. But 4/10s drop some of the most expensive deadspace items around.
PvP: is a cost, by any economic measurement.
SOV: is a cost. What income do you gain simply from holding Sov?
Outposts: Worse than HS stations, and the Fees are simply removing a cost of living there, at best (they do not create any ISK or material, they just adjust who gets to keep it).
PI: Sure. We'll give Nullsec PI. Well... except factory planets, which are HS or maybe LS.

Come to Nullsec: We have marginally better PI!




What happened? The Drone regions got nerfed, eliminating a huge source of highly compressed Low end minerals (also High end minerals, but the way the Industry upgrade system works, that doesn't matter so much). Also M0 drops were eliminated, and Hidden belts were rebalanced to produce more High Ends.

Anyone who says there is no risk in nullsec has clearly never been there.

Put it this way, if someone warps into your site and begins to shoot at you, CONCORD isn't there to save you or at the very least get revenge. You're lucky if corp/alliance buddies even show up at all.

In hi-sec people only tend to hunt you down if you are flying something shiny or if there is potential for tears, in nullsec people will hunt you down whether you are an easy kill, hard kill, profitable, or even a waste of time and money.

In hi-sec, there will always be a nice cozy station for you to go to. In null, you might log in to find yourself locked out of your station or unable to warp to it without a likely hood of dying.

In hi-sec you can theoretically farm whatever you do 23/7, null a bunch of baddies may show up and sit around making it unsafe or even suicidal to attempt to make cash. There are other similar things that can cut off your cash flow.

Hi-sec and null-sec both have their dangers, but to say null-sec is safer than hi-sec is just outrageous. Keep in mind I was a total hi-sec mission carebear that carelessly flew around in shiny ships. In the short time I've been in null, I've encountered more dangers than I ever have in hi-sec.

Seriously, to claim that null is safer is silly. You're either trolling or have never left hi-sec in your life. If the latter is true, I suggest conducting business in null like you would in hi-sec. For example, solo mining. Fly over to a belt in your hulk in 0.0 or lower and try afk mining. You will die. Chances are, you will die before you even get to the system you plan on mining in if you fly about like your in hi-sec.

I have a newbie alt in null (anyone need a spy???). He rode down there in a shuttle and been sitting there for a couple of years. Was going to biomass him, but he's in juicy territory and pretty darn safe.

The current residents must be beside themselves of a neutral right in their station unaccounted for.

Null has a lot of fighting. You do want backup, but anyone can get in and stay a l-o-n-g time. Just wished I parked some more alts in all of the big alliance regions (can always train them as an cyano alt...).