EVE General Discussion

This thread delivers ...lots of tears.

Your logical argument, it means nothing in GD.

One thing I like about EVE:

1. How everyone defends how awesome the game is!

How in the wallet the amount is "xxxx ISK" even though there is already another column called currency which tells you it is ISK

Here is the thing.

People don't want "fair" fights where they have an equal chance of winning and losing. They want to win, all the time... or, far more than average.


As a result, good fights generally only happen when both sides think they can win. Which is rare, and of course, one side or the other is wrong.

Since good fights happen so rarely, people looking for kills are forced to do other things hoping to pick off weak, foolish or distracted stragglers. Gate camps, cloaky cynos, high sec war decs, Awoxing, etc. are all attempts to get kills with reduced risk of loss.



So, the problem is not with EVE, but rather is with the players. No one wants to be the loser, and no one wants a fair fight. They want to win, win, win... even if that means a lame, boring game, of picking off week, newb, lame, stragglers.

The 50% of accounts unsub and CCP goes bankrupt. How is that good for anyone?

CCP went against convention here. Not because EvE is a so-called sandbox (it's not a sandbox in a classic sense, too much micromanagement to really be considered one), it's because they changed the interface so much that it's an orphan.

Common controls makes it possible for players to hop into a game with ease. It's why the UIs are so familar across so many games/applications. They don't want players to spend an eon adapting to each new UI. It's doesn't follow logic even (especially conservation of resources -- why reinvent the wheel???).

If CCP wanted truly a unique interface they wouldn't rely on conventional keyboard shortcuts, either.

WASD doesn't exist because EvE doesn't have independent movement. To go "off-grid" you need a bookmark. You can't just travel to XYZ. For a game that also claims to be about PvP, it doesn't deliever the tools to play it as PvP.

EvE's UI isn't even like Homeworld's, it's like Microsoft Office.

My high sec bear is in a small corporation that was war-decced by a MUCH larger alliance looking for easy kills. It was three players - myself and two friends - against an alliance with well over a hundred active members.

I took to a covert ops ship, spent a day looking around for these people, and eventually found their home base. It turned out that this alliance likes to take in new players to the game - and not prepare them at all for war. I would sit in the system cloaked (sometimes for hours, waiting) until I found a newbie at a gate or asteroid belt or planet. I'd uncloak, kill his frigate, pop the pod, and escape.

I swapped to a bomber and popped a few mining barges, too. Then a destroyer for some quick fun. I would change things up, keep them guessing, so they couldn't just hit the directional scanner and see "Oh, there's a Coercer on scan, time to dock!"

After I had gotten a half dozen kills, some in a covert ops (because I could and it's humiliating) and sent polite mails to my victims (your alliance is not preparing you for Eve, they started this war, look elsewhere, check out Eve-Uni), they started to hemorrhage recruits.

That hurt. It didn't hurt their kill board much - the value of newbies in cheap mining frigates isn't exactly a lot - but it did hurt their pride and it hurt their morale. Once a few new players left for greener pastures, more followed.

The war ended not long after.

It doesn't make for a great war story, I don't consider myself some kind of elite PvP pilot, and I certainly don't like to shoot at newbies that just joined the game and don't know any better, but I didn't start the war.

So, what can we learn about this?

As a single player I cannot take on a large number of combat pilots by myself. I'm not Garmon nor any other elite PvP type. I don't have wads of cash for expensive ships full of faction and officer loot. I don't even have a booster alt.

What I can do is look for the weak links. The stragglers. The haulers. People who are a little less smart than I am about Eve (difficult to find, but they exist). The people who simply aren't paying attention and don't even know what a warp scrambler is.

I took the aggressive actions of a much larger entity and did the best I could to respond to it. Minimize my risk, maximize theirs.

What I didn't do was whine about it.

This happened quite a while ago. These days, you have a tool that I never did: You can open your war dec up for assistance from a third party. You don't even have to undock to fight back.

If nothing else, you have 3 slots on your account. Play with a different character while your enemies waste money on someone that won't ever log in.

I don't like them either, but there's little that will be done about that, I'm afraid.

I'm sure most of us would just move to a new game, and go to their forums, and whine there... mostly about how great EVE was before CCP listened to it vocal minority and removed high sec.

i think that's the first sensible thing i've ever seen you post.