EVE General Discussion

lol. The New Order guys have literally zero impact on game-play. Outside of the forums I have never (despite asking frequently) encountered anyone who has bumped into anyone actually doing that mining permit crap. If I ever find one, I will war dec their corp, just for the lols.

This is a false (GD fed) perception. Even in null, most pvp has nothing to do with "blobs". I haven't been in a big fleet in 2 years personally. I know some people do nothing but big fleets, but there is plenty of small gang and solo stuff going on.

It's a bit frustrating to experience null for the last 5 years then come here and see how people are SO SURE it's so terrible and all blobs and moon goo. It's just...not.

Civilised as ever, I see.

This would matter if "your type" was the only marketable demographic. Fortunately, over-competitive narcissistic sycophants are a minority fringe, so we don't really care what "your type" wants. But thanks for playing.

We know you care about no one but yourselves, as you do in all games.

But is it too much to ask for ONE game not overrun by people to scared or disinterested to do anything?

Rhetorical question, i know the answer is "yes it's too much to ask that even virtual people have virtual ballsacks". But damn it's frustrating that everywhere you go there are more and more calls for "Civility" and "joining hands". screw that, i want space somalia and want it now.

CCP used to agree with me.

I agree with Jenn on this.

There is a story that is told over and over on these forums and at other unOfficial channels where players tell each other that 0.0 is all about blob fights and evil goons. The day to day reality is very different. Most fights in 0.0 are small gangs or even 1v1 or 1v2. When one is "deep" inside a territory controlled by one of the major power blocs there are still small enemy fleets that fly by.

Can it be relatively safe? Yes, it is but that doesn't mean that it is totally safe. Highsec is still safer. Much safer.

The so-called blob mentality is standard warfare tactics 101 - out number your opponent so you win. When someone, who is alone, runs into a group of TWO pilots then they will think that they got 'blobbed' because they were outnumbered. If a group of three encounters a group of five.. it's the blob again.

When ten meet twelve: more blobbing.

When a small group of five gets 'hot dropped' by four in much larger ships then that's the blob once more.

Add to this the occasional large fight (over 1000 pilots involved) and you get this constant reinforcement of the idea that 0.0 is all about blobs. When I check up on the people who write with 'disgust' about 0.0 I usually discover that they are either a "bitter vet" or a highsec player who hasn't spent significant time in 0.0 but wants to be a 'cool kid' (for some reason some EVE pilots look up to 'bitter vets') and parrots the blob stuff of 0.0. As an aside, these tend to be the same people who complain loudly and emotionally about how "terrible" all the 0.0 alliances are while not doing a single thing to actually change anything. So yeah, take them for what they are.

Further, some of these stories are perpetrated by the messaging groups of the Alliances themselves to keep players out. After all, if you believe that you'll be blobbed the instant you enter their territory that tends to be disincentive to enter their territory.

What all of these incidents prove is that 0.0 is far more risky than highsec. You have a significant CHANCE of being attacked and destroyed when in 0.0. Does that mean it will always happen? No, it doesn't hence the term risk. A risk is when there is a possibility of an outcome not a guarantee.

All too often when people go off about "risk and reward" they are really saying reward for effort without risk being a factor.

Dude, did you not just read what I wrote? Not all null alliances make people do "grunt work" and alram cloak ops, that is (again) a silly outsider perspective.

Surrendering assets to faceless alliances? I've never ever done that. I HAVE (in the past) traded my some of time (for an alliance cause) in exchange to access to that Alliance's space (where I ratted till I dropped, I hope Angels and serps never become real, ima have to go into hiding). It was a fair trade. Now my "trade" is building ships for alliance needs in exchange for access to the space, I don't even have to pvp if I don't want to.

it amazes me that "high sec people" see what we do as some kind of slavery where in reality it's just cooperative gameplay.

And how then does that make EVE different from other games except "it has space ships"?

I was attracted to EVe because ti wasn't like other games (not just because it had space ships), but as time goes on, that uniqueness is being cast aside for more money, more subs, "easy to learn, hard to master" BS and every increasing safety in a video game (including actual "safeties", because for 9 years people actually knowing what they are doing and who they were shooting was too much to ask of a video game player).

It's fairly sickening. It's also new, back in "my day" no one asked that the rocks in the 'Asteroids' video game stop killing your ship on impact, or that the Ghosts in pac-man ask to see your pvp flag before bitting you......

The wussification of gaming (and EVE) is something to resist, not welcome.

Didn't we have a conversation yesterday about you doing highsec incursions for 150m isk/hr?

Did you get back in line after you finished riding that ferris wheel?

"you" types... heh.

Or some Eve players just dual box their ratters doing anomalies in null right?

Don't get me wrong. Avoiding those losses is my game play strategy. With the available mechanics as is.

Even I don't want Theme Park, but CCP is a business, and in my 48 years I've never seen one single company not go where the money is. It's just a fact of business life.