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NO more selling PLEX

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Fortis88
Caldari Salvage Corp.
#1 - 2013-03-31 01:52:30 UTC
What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? It really takes away the edge of losing a ship and allows players to be more careless and unrealistic in pvp since they know that their isk "grows on trees". There is no pride in your profession, whether its salvaging, mining, or pirating/looting since all you have to do is just buy more isk when you run out. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game.
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-03-31 02:19:40 UTC
No. PLEX is probably one of the smartest things Ive seen an MMO do. In every other MMO people have to buy game money from RMT traders if they want a quick step up. Here it is much easier to legitimately do it and support CCP rather than some chinese criminal enterprise, which reduces the number of RMT accounts wrecking the economy. It also rewards players who dedicate time in the game by letting them play for "free". Name one other MMO that you can pay in-game currency for game time...
As for people who waste isk on ship after ship full of shiny...well being a pirate I say bring it on...there is nothing like catching an entirely blinging mission runner trying his luck in low sec...money can buy ships but it don't buy skill...
Fortis88
Caldari Salvage Corp.
#3 - 2013-03-31 04:14:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Fortis88
There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking. And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value.
Laudiur
Rim Worlds Republic
#4 - 2013-03-31 07:44:54 UTC
how you think you gonna get that plex to be able to buy with in game money???? doing it your way means CCP doesn't get anything for the in-game plex and would therefore lose money just like it would through RMT
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-03-31 09:46:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Andracin
Fortis88 wrote:
There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking. And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value.


So your saying your fine if CCP take ISK (their intellectual property) as trade for PLEX (their monetary property) and then let you trade it for game time or AUR? You do realize that players who sell PLEX are paying slightly more than a monthly subscription in real life currency to CCP for the PLEX?

In your model CCP is trading their property for their property and giving away game time so you can play free and they don't get paid.....if they followed that advice we would be out of a cool space ship game....

And it is not legalizing crime. PLEX ensures that the exchange of RL money for intellectual property goes to the owners of that property. Not some bot-scamming, account hacking, game ruining company that has no intrest in making EVE a better game, they are just looking to make a fast dollar on players who have more RL money than time. Trust me Im not so well set in RL that I can PLEX my way to financial bliss either, but if by its existance I don't get spammed by RMT traders like I did in WOW, EQ2 and SWG I'll accept it. Ive played the game a long time now and have not seen a case where PLEX off-balanced the game other than providing some awesome KM from pilots who confused shiney with invincible....
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-03-31 10:16:50 UTC
stupid idea

oh if it makes people more careless to loose expensive ships i cant see what is the problem with that, I prefer that way
easier and more targets with better loot , what better thing you could ask for ? .O
Bloody Wench
#7 - 2013-03-31 14:19:01 UTC
Let me tell you what would happen in my instance if they stopped PLEX sales.

I would immediately go down to 1 account. $15 a month I can kinda justify for a video game but certainly not $15 x the number I currently run.

Then it would dawn on me that I'm not having any fun with just one character and the last account would probably go.

So...no.

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Bronn Stormborn
The Steelborn
#8 - 2013-03-31 18:33:42 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
Let me tell you what would happen in my instance if they stopped PLEX sales.

I would immediately go down to 1 account. $15 a month I can kinda justify for a video game but certainly not $15 x the number I currently run.

Then it would dawn on me that I'm not having any fun with just one character and the last account would probably go.

So...no.


Pretty much my thoughts exactly.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#9 - 2013-03-31 21:08:28 UTC
Bloody stupid idea is bloody stupid.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-04-01 09:42:18 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking. And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value.


So you're essentially asking CCP to give away free game time. No.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#11 - 2013-04-01 18:15:33 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking. And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value.
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Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-04-01 21:32:34 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking. And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value.


Okay, so now everyone buys plex, that makes CCP no money, because they just spawn magically... how exactly do you expect CCP to survive as a company? I eagerly await your obviously highly informed opinion.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#13 - 2013-04-02 05:32:26 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking. And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value.


I just want to point out that CCP legalized crime by including it as a valid game mechanic in the EULA.

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-04-02 08:38:51 UTC
I don't think the OP knows how the PLEX selling system works ingame. If he did he wouldn't have made this ridiculous thread.

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Daedra Blue
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-04-02 13:25:14 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? It really takes away the edge of losing a ship and allows players to be more careless and unrealistic in pvp since they know that their isk "grows on trees". There is no pride in your profession, whether its salvaging, mining, or pirating/looting since all you have to do is just buy more isk when you run out. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game.


Let me translate that for you into english.

Fortis88 wrote:
I am butthurt that people with lots of money in real life can invest real life cash to buy more assets and kick my ass because i don't have/want to put real life money into a game. These are the people i buy gametime from with virtuall currency because i don't have/want to invest real life money into a game.


So swiping your real life cash everytime you lose a ship takes the edge of an encounter? Did your brain logic have some polarity reversal or something?
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-04-02 17:42:00 UTC
See what happened? You got trolled by RL poor ppl who play internet spaceship game for free. Some ppl are RL rich, they're known here in Eve as noobs, others are RL poor, known as 1337 vets. Here, bums make fun of normal ppl. Don't take that away from them.Cool
Agent Trask
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-04-02 18:40:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Agent Trask
fortis88 wrote:

What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk?


People who buy PLEX help pay for the free icecream CCP hands out to you every month.

In World of Tanks, newbcake schoolkids moan about people with jobs buying Lowes to make in-game credits, but they can't bend their little minds around the fact that those premium tank buyers are paying for their free gameplay.


( Selling PLEX officially also makes gold farmers cry, and encourages them to go pollute other MMOs. )

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Blake Rogers
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-04-04 08:12:16 UTC
Buying PLEX does benefit those who do the real world grind for money, if that's how they choose to spend it. Arguably EVEs real time skill system also benefits those with other commitments. I have no problem with it, and given the average EVE player is an older gamer, I think it's a good match.
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#19 - 2013-04-04 13:14:02 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? It really takes away the edge of losing a ship and allows players to be more careless and unrealistic in pvp since they know that their isk "grows on trees". There is no pride in your profession, whether its salvaging, mining, or pirating/looting since all you have to do is just buy more isk when you run out. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game.


Let them buy their plex, they are too stupid to actually make that isk them selves, people who aren't lazy or too stupid will continue to make more isk and play the game for nothing.

Also form a business perspective during these time's plex is a very clever idea, it helps CCP continue to pay its staff even with the trouble with the banks in Iceland and the rest of the world.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-04-08 21:02:58 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking. And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value.

Right, its not "legalizing crime to prevent crime". besides that though, buying PLEX from CCP directly with ingame money HURTS THE GAME since your NOT paying them a subsciption, for every PLEX you buy from another player, CCP has made almost 20 USD (compared to the 15 for a recurring subscription), it also helps the playerbase. do you know how many people buy PLEX from other players because they CANT AFFORD AN ACCOUNT? alot. PLEX allows those people to have someone else buy their gametime for them, with isk being given as compansation/thankyou.


not to mention is CCP accepted the isk directly for gametime, it would royally break PLEX, because CCP would CONSTANTLY have to redo the price to compensate for average player income so they dont go broke (read as, making sure almost no one can realistically afford it). right now PLEX is balanced because, depending on the market/economy, they can range from anywhere between 400-750mil.


of course, theres also the basic RMT prevention, and that every dollar someone spends on CCP instead of a chinese golf-farmer gets put right back into eve to help fund those TWO FREE YEARLY EXPANSIONS.
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