EVE New Citizens Q&A

"Exploit"

You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Sorry OP, the trade system is not actually meant for regular business dealings and instead is only meant as a means to exchange items between friends and not between strangers.

That being said, you can easily protect yourself from this scam by several methods:

1) Faction items have a green triangle with a white diamond in the upper left corner of the icon. If you don't see this symbol, it isn't a faction item.

2) You can always "show info" on the item to double check what the item actually is.

3) NEVER use trades to do business when you can use contracts or the market.

Now, there ARE scams that are exploits which use the trade system. However, these were fixed a loooonnngg time ago, IIRC.

Yeah, so what does that say about the game in general? Welcome to EVE, where it's a crime to be a victim. As in real life the majority of users on the forums are perennial vampires, trolls, and uncaring assholes who's only purpose in life is to 'collect tears' etc. What a joke, and what a let down to all of us that this small group of people is being trained by a ****** game to be even more apathetic.

yay! 2 out of 3 because I don't know waht perennial means

The GMs are lazy, and they use the excuse "EVE is meant to be a harsh and unforgiving Universe" as a front for said laziness.

But just scam CCP out of some cash and you'll quickly see that they don't condone scamming after all...



Something every newbie knows, since the tutorial covers it....



Since the fact in EVE is this: if you've been victimized it's your fault;

then one could only conclude,

since this person is saying something mean to you -

that it is in response to some trollish or antagonistic behavior on your part.

In the future if you don't want people saying such mean things to you then the advise to you is to have a little more respect and courtesy towards other players.

It's a crime to ***** on the forums about an aspect of the game that the playerbase has, for a very long time, come to accept as "the way of things".

From what I can tell about EVE, when things don't go your way, there are, essentially, two paths you can take:

1. You can get mad. You can ***** and whine at EVE's unfairness to anyone who will give you even a moment of attention (and, more often, to those who won't), and wallow in your pathetic sadness, or

2. You can get even. Get scammed? Scam the scammer. Get ganked? Go gank the ganker. No player in EVE is invincible (except maybe Chribba).

Sure, getting even won't be easy, but no one said it was. And if you don't want to spend the time and effort it takes to get even... well then, admit defeat. You got scammed/ganked/owned/rolled/whatever, and you're too soft/lazy to do anything constructive about it. Suck it up or GTFO.

tl;dr: HTFU.

lol"greedy". Isn't the person running the scam is really the greedy one?

Not a lot of critical thinking in this thread...



Yes. They are frequently on the receiving end of empty threats.

I got scammed like that as well (in my defense, I was intoxicated) and all I can say to you is: if someone is advertising items below the average order on the market it's a scam, if the item name is Republic Fleet Stabber but the ship looks like a normal one it's a scam, if you get a mail that's sent to you and many others with the same starting letter in your name it's also a scam.

Deal with it nerd etc

Actually the person running the scam has probably sat there for hours linking the same contract over and over. Even if it took him an hour I can probably earn more doing level 4 missions , or ransoming someone.

So no , I wouldn't say the scammer was greedy at all.

Patient., tenacious maybe but not greedy.

In the OP's case, he was offered some cheap Navy Stabbers (how cheap? We don't know) But one would assume that they were cheap enough for him to think he could make a good profit from them. (For most of us that's where the alarm bells would have started ringing)

However powered by his desire (or greed) for them he went to the station.

The scammer told him that he could only trade them (again , most of us would balk at this or indeed wonder why the scammer was refusing to put them into a private contract)

But his desire for them (or greed) was too strong and blinded him.

The items were presented in the trade window, all the OP had to do was check the info on them (or look for the coloured corner on the icon) but the OP was in such a rush to make the deal (because he was driven by his desire - or greed to make the deal as fast as possible, before the scammer had a chance to back out) that he traded without checking.

In all scams, both ingame and in real life - the one thing a scammer uses to his advantage in his chosen mark , is the mark's greed - without that the scammer is unlikely to pull the scam off.

If the scam you are speaking of is the one where someone offers you e.g.: a "Raven Navy Issue" via trade window, then once you've handed over your 300M ISK you find that what you have is a Raven that has been named "Raven Navy Issue", I'd suggest that what this says about the game in general is that EVE Online is an excellent training ground for people to be aware of contract law in general.

Scams like this happen all the time in real life, and they're perfectly legal because the paperwork describes exactly what you're buying. There are some consumer protection arrangements in place, but generally you'll find that it's impossible to get a refund from a company that no longer exists.

So here is what you can learn from this: read the fine print. Examine the details of the transaction and make sure that you are in fact getting what you paid for. Even going to the supermarket, make sure that the price marked on the shelf is what was advertised in the brochure, and is the price that rings up on the till when you're paying for it. Insist on only paying the lowest of the three prices. When signing a contract to buy a new house, make sure the company has been in business for a few years, and check that the principals have not had a history of running businesses which then declare bankruptcy.

Welcome to EVE Online, oft referred to as "Capitalism 101" and designed as a cruel harsh world where you can learn some valuable life lessons in safety.