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WWIII will start at KOREA! ----Be ready

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Just Lilly
#41 - 2013-04-01 21:13:36 UTC
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#42 - 2013-04-01 21:50:03 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Any North Korean troops crossing the DMZ would have the fun of dealing with Samsung machine gun sentry robots. Here's a promo video of them in action. The first part is about features like target identification, recognizing voice passwords from friendlies, target tracking, etc. Skip to 2:26 for the mayhem part.


Sadly the looks and design of those sentry robots, look a lot like the sentry robots, Apple is currently inventing.

Sadly I feel, these robots will just be tied up by the courts and never deployed, till the lawsuits end. Giving North Korea a decisive advantage in the war.

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Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-04-02 01:37:45 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Wrong on this point. Very wrong.

As soon as we take even one real shot at N. Korea, China will have so many of their planes and troops in N. Korea our American heads won't know what hit us.

That may have been the case with the first Korean War but things have changed since then. The US and the rest of the West are now China's biggest trading partners. The climate is different, Chinese don't "Defect to America" they hop a plane from Beijing to LA and go vacation. China is prospering fast.

The Chinese now are more worried about North Korea then the West. Their politics used to be similar but this is no longer the case. North Korea has sealed its boarders, hundreds of thousands of its citizens are in concentration camps, they have a dynastic rule system and no economy to speak of. China is open to the world in trade, have a balance between free enterprise and the state and even executes less of its citizens then the US. Their government is popular with their people without tons of propaganda and the threat of violence and arrests. China is even doing joint military exercises with the US. The third last thing they want is the world sanctioning their trade and turning away from them, the second last thing they want is a Cold War with the West and the Capitalist East and the last thing they want is nukes landing on Shanghai.

A nuclear North Korea is no longer a strategic ally, it is a weight around their ankles and one they are more then eager to cut off and let sink. The worst case scenario for the Chinese is they start shooting off nukes and start a Nuclear War.


Spot on.

I will add something else to this: I'm in Beijing right now, and it is very apparent here that South Korea is now China's economic ally. Modern China's ideology is trade and economic growth, not Communism as it once was under Mao, when it supported North Korea.

South Korean money, businesses, investments and influence are sprawling all over Beijing. Hell, just looking out of my window I'm seeing Indigo, an upscale shopping mall, entertainment and restaurant center heavily participated by South Korea's CJ Group conglomerate. South Korean restaurants dot the city. In nearby Wangjing area, many shops display signs in both Chinese and Korean, given the big numbers South Koreans living over here. On TV, South Korean soap operas have become a huge hit amongst Chinese people, as well as K-Pop stars.

Even politically, China and South Korea find themselves on a common front against Japan with their territorial claims and reparations harkening back to the barbarities Japan inflicted on both of them during World War II.

China no longer wants anything to do with North Korea, what Krixtal is thinking there is simply an obsolete remnant of Cold War mentality. Nowadays, China is firmly in bed with South Korea.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#44 - 2013-04-02 04:25:44 UTC
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:

China no longer wants anything to do with North Korea, what Krixtal is thinking there is simply an obsolete remnant of Cold War mentality. Nowadays, China is firmly in bed with South Korea.

I hate to derail this subject but its something I don't get the opportinity to ask about often.

But how is the EU/Britain seen from the new China's perspective?

Ally? Enemy? From an engineering point of view I've been told quite a few times that Chinese companies are openly stealing our technology and not employing people from the West for Engineering work over there.

Learning Mandarin, love the culture I've been exposed to so far, hope to live there for a bit.

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stoicfaux
#45 - 2013-04-02 05:10:59 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:

China has contingency plans in the event of a renewed Korean conflict, and they have nothing to do with aiding North Korea in fighting the US and South Korea.

Any Chinese troops that entered North Korea would do so to depose the Kim regime, secure the country, and prevent a refugee crisis from spilling over their borders. More likely they'd first attempt to entice a military coup against the Kim regime. Then they'd set up a puppet state under tight Chinese control.

You're both wrong - China would contain the matter as expediently as possible with US and South Korean blessings.

This ^^. China doesn't want a unified Korea under a "Western" South Korea. Invading/Liberating North Korea to set up a friendly puppet state would make sense for China. North Korean "unification" could then be parlayed into political pressure points against South Korea.

It would also make China look stronger in the region if they can take North Korea over any US (or South Korea) objections. I doubt the US and South Korea have the will and the material to take North Korea faster than China can take North Korea.

The real trick is going to be capturing the North Korean nuke material and scientists before they scatter to the winds.

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Shamus O'Reilly
Candy Cabal
#46 - 2013-04-02 05:39:27 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Sab Sab Five wrote:
One missile to Seoul and the US will carpet bomb the hell out of north with China's blessing.




Wrong on this point. Very wrong.

As soon as we take even one real shot at N. Korea, China will have so many of their planes and troops in N. Korea our American heads won't know what hit us.

baltec1 wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:


The flying chunks of Chinese people that should've stayed out of it Twisted


America cant win a war with china. Hence why republicans are terrified about their rise.

But china is fed up with NK so most likely will not get involved other than trying to get all sides to the table.

As many others have said prior to me. China will not do anything to help North Korea. They have even stated they won't in a future war.

Though - http://www.cfr.org/china/china-north-korea-relationship/p11097
And - http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/nightwatch/2013/03/23/china-refuses-trade-with-north-korea-n1546410/page/full/

Another link here based upon recent events over the winter http://thediplomat.com/china-power/china-changing-its-tune-on-north-korea/


Don't forget a link to one of the US's wonderous non biased news agencies.... http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/11/opinion/lind-north-korea <-- half of which i take with a grain of salt.. almost as badly as Fox.

"I swear there are more people complaining over "nullsecers complaining" then actual nullsec people complaining."

Shamus O'Reilly
Candy Cabal
#47 - 2013-04-02 05:43:07 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:

China has contingency plans in the event of a renewed Korean conflict, and they have nothing to do with aiding North Korea in fighting the US and South Korea.

Any Chinese troops that entered North Korea would do so to depose the Kim regime, secure the country, and prevent a refugee crisis from spilling over their borders. More likely they'd first attempt to entice a military coup against the Kim regime. Then they'd set up a puppet state under tight Chinese control.

You're both wrong - China would contain the matter as expediently as possible with US and South Korean blessings.

This ^^. China doesn't want a unified Korea under a "Western" South Korea. Invading/Liberating North Korea to set up a friendly puppet state would make sense for China. North Korean "unification" could then be parlayed into political pressure points against South Korea.

It would also make China look stronger in the region if they can take North Korea over any US (or South Korea) objections. I doubt the US and South Korea have the will and the material to take North Korea faster than China can take North Korea.

The real trick is going to be capturing the North Korean nuke material and scientists before they scatter to the winds.

China wants North Korea gone and alive at the same time. They want the lesser of two evils. The lesser being not getting nukes shot at them

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Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#48 - 2013-04-02 05:52:38 UTC
As far as I remember, the Koreas never even declared peace. I don't see any difference with this, and using a fictional game as some kind of proof that WWIII is going to come is, illogical,
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
#49 - 2013-04-02 06:37:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Sevastian Liao
Familial ties are given great importance in Chinese culture, with the accompanying maxim that one (Especially the menfolk) must always be able to provide for yourself and your family. Being impotent to the degree of leaving one's family in the cold is considered one of the cardinal sins one can commit in Chinese society.

Mainland Chinese are also proud of what China has accomplished economically to the point of being considered a world power, and believe - To a certain degree, rightfully - that it has been because of a cumulative national effort, the result of decades of laborious work by both its citizens and its government - Or more specifically, the CCP. A side consequence of this is something akin to condescension at times when dealing with nations seen as less prosperous, less economically developed than they are.

Put the two points together and you get a general public perception in China that North Korea is an albatross around China's neck, unable to fend for itself due to general incompetence, less of an ally than a deadbeat relative being propped up by their country. If North Korea's belligerency crosses the line you won't be seeing an outpouring of support from the Chinese people anytime soon. Which of course, still does not account for attitudes within the CCP and the military.
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
#50 - 2013-04-02 07:16:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Sevastian Liao
Kirjava wrote:

I hate to derail this subject but its something I don't get the opportinity to ask about often.

But how is the EU/Britain seen from the new China's perspective?

Ally? Enemy? From an engineering point of view I've been told quite a few times that Chinese companies are openly stealing our technology and not employing people from the West for Engineering work over there.

Learning Mandarin, love the culture I've been exposed to so far, hope to live there for a bit.



This is purely speculative on my part, based off a bit of observation, but most Chinese tend not to view European countries under the banner of the EU, but rather still deem the countries as separate entities and considered as such. Economically powerful countries such as Germany, France, and the UK tend to be viewed in the same light as the US (Rivals and yet partners, respectable countries despite cultural and ideological differences, go - to places for education and technology), only with a much less emphasis on the "rival" aspect, most probably since the US is still considered to be the closest comparable world power to match their own, and hence the bigger target.

Most of Eastern Europe and the Scandinavian states are considered more of markets for Chinese products and tourism destinations than as potential strategic partners, even less so than other significantly less developed countries comparitively richer with natural resources that China needs.
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-04-02 09:14:39 UTC
Interesting ireport by CNN (yes I know Roll) but a good read for those interested.

A North Korea defectors opinions on the matter at hand.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-04-02 14:56:42 UTC
Interesting video update fresh today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iyIBAqEdDuE#!

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate

Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2013-04-02 15:15:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Malaclypse Muscaria
Kirjava wrote:
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:

China no longer wants anything to do with North Korea, what Krixtal is thinking there is simply an obsolete remnant of Cold War mentality. Nowadays, China is firmly in bed with South Korea.

I hate to derail this subject but its something I don't get the opportinity to ask about often.

But how is the EU/Britain seen from the new China's perspective?

Ally? Enemy? From an engineering point of view I've been told quite a few times that Chinese companies are openly stealing our technology and not employing people from the West for Engineering work over there.

Learning Mandarin, love the culture I've been exposed to so far, hope to live there for a bit.



Britain is not seen as any sort of enemy. This is just my personal opinion and impressions, it's not like I've done extensive proper research on the matter, but I will say that contrary to what seems to be the predominant narrative in Western media, China is largely unconcerned about West, let alone seeing it as a real threat.

I believe this narrative stems mostly from "projection": ever since World War II, the US has been playing geopolitical games of influence all around the globe, particularly in the context of the Cold War, as well as seeking to protect and defend the interests of American multinationals in other countries.

At present, the US perceives China as their greatest rival and competitor, their new USSR-like nemesis in the theater of global politics, continuing the bipolar dynamics so prevalent during the Cold War. Therefore, in my opinion Americans are applying / projecting this mindset onto China, believing that China is likewise playing a similar game of geopolitics, seeking to undermine / influence / dominate other countries and perceived "rivals" - but those are American attitudes when it comes to world politics, not really Chinese.

My take is that China actually cares far less about the West and other countries than what Americans - and other Western media - seem to believe they do. Yes, apparently there are some "cyber-attacks" and whatevers going on, but here I don't hear the constant alarmist barrage of "The USians are coming to get us!" I keep hearing about in American media concerning China.

China is a very big country, compromising 1/5th of all humanity after all, and China already has more than enough in its hands dealing with itself. China simply wishes to be left to its own devices, to keep doing their thing, without outside impositions or interventions - something the US is quite fond of, with their "spreading Democracy to other countries", preemptive wars and whatnots - which is a reason why China often blocks UN resolutions seeking to intervene in different countries. China does not like the idea that the same sort of intervention could be attempted on them some day, regarding issues such as Tibet, or Taiwan, or whatever "human rights issues" some Western countries yap about now and then.

When it comes to "threats" or "enemies", what I hear about here in China concerns Japan, not the West. There's a preoccupation that Japan is seeking to gain allies across the Pacific - from Australia to India - against China in their territorial disputes.


All that being said, after decades of being stunted, China is now progressing and modernising at a breakneck speed, and they often look at the West for ideas and technologies, since in many ways the West has already been there - things, ideas and technologies they take, adapt, and improve upon, often quite successfully so.

I'm a Westerner, and regarding what you ask about employment, if anything, I have perceived some sort of peculiar general interest / admiration towards Westerners. Apparently some Chinese companies even hire Westerners just so the company may project an image of sophistication and modernity. Sounds strange, but from what I've been hearing I reckon it's true.

If you have the interest, I encourage you to come here to live and work in China for a while, it's a fascinating country and culture, with a lot of potential, future possibilities, and drive to progress, excel and innovate. While the West is stagnating lately, over here there's so much happening, very quickly. Some things seem taken straight out of sci-fi books / movies. Delicious food everywhere, stunning natural landscapes, friendly people, beautiful art, rich history. You are welcome to send me a PM if you want to know more.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-04-02 16:07:34 UTC
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:

China no longer wants anything to do with North Korea, what Krixtal is thinking there is simply an obsolete remnant of Cold War mentality. Nowadays, China is firmly in bed with South Korea.

I hate to derail this subject but its something I don't get the opportinity to ask about often.

But how is the EU/Britain seen from the new China's perspective?

Ally? Enemy? From an engineering point of view I've been told quite a few times that Chinese companies are openly stealing our technology and not employing people from the West for Engineering work over there.

Learning Mandarin, love the culture I've been exposed to so far, hope to live there for a bit.



Britain is not seen as any sort of enemy. This is just my personal opinion and impressions, it's not like I've done extensive proper research on the matter, but I will say that contrary to what seems to be the predominant narrative in Western media, China is largely unconcerned about West, let alone seeing it as a real threat.

I believe this narrative stems mostly from "projection": ever since World War II, the US has been playing geopolitical games of influence all around the globe, particularly in the context of the Cold War, as well as seeking to protect and defend the interests of American multinationals in other countries.

At present, the US perceives China as their greatest rival and competitor, their new USSR-like nemesis in the theater of global politics, continuing the bipolar dynamics so prevalent during the Cold War. Therefore, in my opinion Americans are applying / projecting this mindset onto China, believing that China is likewise playing a similar game of geopolitics, seeking to undermine / influence / dominate other countries and perceived "rivals" - but those are American attitudes when it comes to world politics, not really Chinese.

My take is that China actually cares far less about the West and other countries than what Americans - and other Western media - seem to believe they do. Yes, apparently there are some "cyber-attacks" and whatevers going on, but here I don't hear the constant alarmist barrage of "The USians are coming to get us!" I keep hearing about in American media concerning China.

China is a very big country, compromising 1/5th of all humanity after all, and China already has more than enough in its hands dealing with itself. China simply wishes to be left to its own devices, to keep doing their thing, without outside impositions or interventions - something the US is quite fond of, with their "spreading Democracy to other countries", preemptive wars and whatnots - which is a reason why China often blocks UN resolutions seeking to intervene in different countries. China does not like the idea that the same sort of intervention could be attempted on them some day, regarding issues such as Tibet, or Taiwan, or whatever "human rights issues" some Western countries yap about now and then.

When it comes to "threats" or "enemies", what I hear about here in China concerns Japan, not the West. There's a preoccupation that Japan is seeking to gain allies across the Pacific - from Australia to India - against China in their territorial disputes.


All that being said, after decades of being stunted, China is now progressing and modernising at a breakneck speed, and they often look at the West for ideas and technologies, since in many ways the West has already been there - things, ideas and technologies they take, adapt, and improve upon, often quite successfully so.

I'm a Westerner, and regarding what you ask about employment, if anything, I have perceived some sort of peculiar general interest / admiration towards Westerners. Apparently some Chinese companies even hire Westerners just so the company may project an image of sophistication and modernity. Sounds strange, but from what I've been hearing I reckon it's true.

If you have the interest, I encourage you to come here to live and work in China for a while, it's a fascinating country and culture, with a lot of potential, future possibilities, and drive to progress, excel and innovate. While the West is stagnating lately, over here there's so much happening, very quickly. Some things seem taken straight out of sci-fi books / movies. Delicious food everywhere, stunning natural landscapes, friendly people, beautiful art, rich history. You are welcome to send me a PM if you want to know more.



So in short.

China is like that overnight shift hard working accountant that is too busy breeding his own milk with melamine , making toys for the neighborhood using lead based paint , and occasional beats his wife ?

While other countries are like the old white guys rocking on their comfy chairs , pointing at passersby with their pipes and get a heart attack every 10 years when they realize their money is a holoreel?

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