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Mort Trader
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-03-31 23:13:23 UTC
Hi all

Anyone any idea how long a discoship is likely to last outside a major trade hub?

Could be any BS, with 5+ smarties, but with no more than a cheap buffer fit.

Dont really have a lot of experience at this, but it is something I would like to sponsor - however I want my monies worth, and if the ships are likely to be instapoped before causing any havoc, I will have to go back to the drawing board...

Looking forward to your responses, and hoping to liven things up at a trading hub near you soon.
Whitehound
#2 - 2013-03-31 23:14:58 UTC
TL;DR: Want to be evil. Please help.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2013-03-31 23:16:22 UTC

--> Crime & Punishment

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2013-03-31 23:18:03 UTC
Why are you so terrified and reluctant to try it out for yourself ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#5 - 2013-03-31 23:20:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Hobb
Mort Trader wrote:
no more than a cheap buffer fit.

Don't fit a tank.

Figure out how long you have in a 0.9 before CONCORD neuts you, add time because you're going to move CONCORD with an expendable alt. There are tons of guides on CONCORD and ganking out there.

E: Off-hand I'd say you could get one, maybe two cycles from each smartbomb in Jita with Energy Pulse Weapons at V.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#6 - 2013-03-31 23:32:55 UTC
It doesn't matter since you can't use smartbombs within the docking range of stations or close enough to gates to make it worth it.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-04-01 00:06:38 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
E: Off-hand I'd say you could get one, maybe two cycles from each smartbomb in Jita with Energy Pulse Weapons at V.


Hmmm...

How powerful are the larger smartbombs (since the use isn't seen much to experience it)? Can they actually blow up say 2bil freighters and BSes?

Karl Hobb wrote:
It doesn't matter since you can't use smartbombs within the docking range of stations or close enough to gates to make it worth it.


For a sandbox game, EvE isn't much one with the same conditions you'll find in WoW. If it was more of one, we wouldn't be having such "safe PvP". Like real dangers not scripted ones.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Temerarius Femrender
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-04-01 00:28:38 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
E: Off-hand I'd say you could get one, maybe two cycles from each smartbomb in Jita with Energy Pulse Weapons at V.


Hmmm...

How powerful are the larger smartbombs (since the use isn't seen much to experience it)? Can they actually blow up say 2bil freighters and BSes?

Karl Hobb wrote:
It doesn't matter since you can't use smartbombs within the docking range of stations or close enough to gates to make it worth it.


For a sandbox game, EvE isn't much one with the same conditions you'll find in WoW. If it was more of one, we wouldn't be having such "safe PvP". Like real dangers not scripted ones.

Good day good sir do you have a moment to learn about NullSec?!?!
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#9 - 2013-04-01 00:31:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Hobb
Ace Uoweme wrote:
How powerful are the larger smartbombs (since the use isn't seen much to experience it)? Can they actually blow up say 2bil freighters and BSes?

No, but you could get some pods, shuttles, frigates, and small haulers.

E: Also, change your second quoted by, I didn't type that.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#10 - 2013-04-01 00:48:37 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Ace Uoweme wrote:
How powerful are the larger smartbombs (since the use isn't seen much to experience it)? Can they actually blow up say 2bil freighters and BSes?


Absolutely can. Just need enough of them.

You'll also want to use Cap Boosters to keep them running between the time the Concord Cruisers Neut/Jam you and the Concord BS pops you.


But if you want to take on freighter ganking, there are better options.

Quote:
For a sandbox game, EvE isn't much one with the same conditions you'll find in WoW. If it was more of one, we wouldn't be having such "safe PvP". Like real dangers not scripted ones.


Nothing's stopping you from using targetted offensive modules in a docking ring.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-04-01 02:49:29 UTC
Temerarius Femrender wrote:
Good day good sir do you have a moment to learn about NullSec?!?!


Why, because I was there?!?

Crap, there 3 days upon joining EvE (not the carebear you think and before this mess called nullsec is today!).

You don't see the bombs going off even in null that much. Saw bubbles more than *1* bomb.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-04-01 02:58:05 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
How powerful are the larger smartbombs (since the use isn't seen much to experience it)? Can they actually blow up say 2bil freighters and BSes?


Absolutely can. Just need enough of them.

You'll also want to use Cap Boosters to keep them running between the time the Concord Cruisers Neut/Jam you and the Concord BS pops you.


But if you want to take on freighter ganking, there are better options.

Quote:
For a sandbox game, EvE isn't much one with the same conditions you'll find in WoW. If it was more of one, we wouldn't be having such "safe PvP". Like real dangers not scripted ones.


Nothing's stopping you from using targetted offensive modules in a docking ring.


Thanks.

Thinking more of a Kamikize gank of mass proportions (serious isk loss deal) in the cheapest fit possible. There's some juicy opportunities. Twisted

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#13 - 2013-04-01 07:55:49 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:


Karl Hobb wrote:
It doesn't matter since you can't use smartbombs within the docking range of stations or close enough to gates to make it worth it.


For a sandbox game, EvE isn't much one with the same conditions you'll find in WoW. If it was more of one, we wouldn't be having such "safe PvP". Like real dangers not scripted ones.

Well imagine it without the 5k radius rule.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Temerarius Femrender
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-04-01 17:52:24 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Temerarius Femrender wrote:
Good day good sir do you have a moment to learn about NullSec?!?!


Why, because I was there?!?

Crap, there 3 days upon joining EvE (not the carebear you think and before this mess called nullsec is today!).

You don't see the bombs going off even in null that much. Saw bubbles more than *1* bomb.


OK I'm going to spell this out for you.

"For a sandbox game, EvE isn't much one with the same conditions you'll find in WoW. If it was more of one, we wouldn't be having such "safe PvP". Like real dangers not scripted ones."

Pleased to inform me what are the "scripted dangers" in nullsec. Getting caught in a bubble off-station in your own turf & dying horribly seems like a "real" danger to me. Maybe *you* never saw many bombs out in null; spent a lot of time docked up in station washing out your undies after neuts appear?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#15 - 2013-04-01 18:05:12 UTC
Came expecting John Travolta dancing in a trade hub.

Leaving glad this wasnt the case.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-04-01 18:09:54 UTC
they don't get instapopped: use an 8-high ship, fill the highs with smartbombs, mids with cap injectors, lows with cheap tanking mods (t1 eanms and the + armor % are popular)

activate all smartbombs at once

when they're close to cycling, inject cap from two injectors, when they're close to cycling again, inject cap again

you will blow up most frigs and pods near you which can be great fun but you'll go down to like -8 instantly if you managed to do it well
MMMMmm Bacon
Lerxst Global LTD
#17 - 2013-04-01 22:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: MMMMmm Bacon
There's always the old "Giving away Raven Navy Issue - join my fleet" gag.. wait till lots of folks
join your fleet in space, and fleet-warp them all on top of the awaiting disco-party. You might get
more kills that way, especially if you have a few discoships strategically placed for maximum warp-in coverage.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-04-01 22:38:53 UTC
Temerarius Femrender wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Temerarius Femrender wrote:
Good day good sir do you have a moment to learn about NullSec?!?!


Why, because I was there?!?

Crap, there 3 days upon joining EvE (not the carebear you think and before this mess called nullsec is today!).

You don't see the bombs going off even in null that much. Saw bubbles more than *1* bomb.


OK I'm going to spell this out for you.

"For a sandbox game, EvE isn't much one with the same conditions you'll find in WoW. If it was more of one, we wouldn't be having such "safe PvP". Like real dangers not scripted ones."

Pleased to inform me what are the "scripted dangers" in nullsec. Getting caught in a bubble off-station in your own turf & dying horribly seems like a "real" danger to me. Maybe *you* never saw many bombs out in null; spent a lot of time docked up in station washing out your undies after neuts appear?

You're feeding the troll.
Please stop.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Steve Spooner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-04-02 04:46:22 UTC
The issue being your security status would instantly drop to negative and you would get no rewards because half of the system would have kill right on you. And what do you get for it? A cheap memory and no loot.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-04-02 05:28:02 UTC
Temerarius Femrender wrote:
Pleased to inform me what are the "scripted dangers" in nullsec. Getting caught in a bubble off-station in your own turf & dying horribly seems like a "real" danger to me. Maybe *you* never saw many bombs out in null; spent a lot of time docked up in station washing out your undies after neuts appear?


EvE is scripted, Tem.

PvP is allowed by certain rules. So even in EvE, this sandbox, you have rules of war to follow -- disobey them, permabanned.

There's more freedom in BF3 in PvP, even.

Want to rig a cheap and powerful ship, and park it right outside the Jita naval station and blow it and about 15 other ships to smithereens.

I can't.

Tell me why.

It's not because 1000000000000001 battleships exist around the naval station.

It's not because the freighter pilots would stage a riot.

It's not because the market mongrols would even give a flying **** nestled in the stations.

It's because the rules -- and the script -- of "conditional PvP".

Suicide bombers exist in RL. Kamikaze runs is a legitmate tactic.

It doesn't exist in Jita (not even Washington, D.C. was immune to it, but Jita is).

So now understand the scripted nature of the PvP in EvE?

It's also why you don't see those smartbombs in high-sec. It's also why I have to ask the "dumb" questions about them, because it's not even seen much in null (as one mistake it can kill your buddies, too).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
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