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The value of ISK?
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Iso47
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-03-28 19:27:40 UTC
200mil is quite a bit if your just into mining. When I started it took me longer then you to aquire 200mil, so your doing good.
As far as buying expensive ships that's where you can start to lose big time. So be careful and maybe stick to a retriever before you go onto a mack ( unless you're already there ). Play time also factors into isk making, EvE can really be a time sink.
So I'd say your doing good for the ISK you've already acquired.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#22 - 2013-03-28 19:40:10 UTC
Wealth in Eve is not a question of isk, it's a question of return on investment.

Essentially if whatever you're doing is sustaining itself, then you're good. If it isn't, you should consider modifying your behavior.

Total isk is meaningless due to cost fluctuations with time and location.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#23 - 2013-03-29 01:14:08 UTC
Your asking an impossible question (as you most likely have gathered from the mixed replies in here) but this is how you can think about it.

ISK is only there to cover what you need of ships and skills. Thats it. When you can do that there is no more need for it exept bragging rights ofc. If you feel that your now in a position were you can afford to fly what you want to, and would not feel to bad if you lost it your in a good place ISK wise.

I know that some thinks that ISK is one of the more important stats in EVE, and this indicates how "good" you are as an EVE player, but i completely disagree with this (not just because i seem uncapable of maintaining a high amount of ISK my self) but because some people find things in game that they become "good" at that has nothing to do with ISK (leadership roles, FC's, recruiters, fiction writers, bloggers whatever). Ofc all of these people still need ISK, but again only enough to cover what they need ingame, not to stockpile it.

Basically what im saying is, if your pleased and feel secure with the amount of ISK you have, thats all that counts, and you should not care about what someone else has in their wallet since its meaningless.

But thats just my opinion, and again, there are people who disagree completely with this, and its one of the subjects that always will get mixed opinions because something like ISK means more to one person then another.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#24 - 2013-03-29 03:45:04 UTC
I think 40m / hour is a typical figure for level 4 mission running.
Ronan Huren
Revenant Tactical
#25 - 2013-03-29 13:53:44 UTC
Having ISK is pointless unless you are having fun. If you are going to judge how successful you are in Isk that is a pretty boring way to play the game and you might as well focus on earning actual money. As at the end of the day if you stop playing Eve your isk is worthless.
killerkev kevkiller
Darksky Mining and Salvage
#26 - 2013-03-30 04:34:01 UTC
I have enough isk to make me feel comfortable undocking in the ships and fits i enjoy flying

Just mining i imagine a newish player 8-10 mill per hour is good more isk can be made missioning but do you enjoy mining more than pve?
do what you enjoy as long as you can pay for all the shiny toys that make how you want to play fun dont sweat it.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#27 - 2013-03-30 11:51:26 UTC
As a player of about one year, my assets are around 5 billion ISK. Some high value blueprints, some in minerals, some in combat ships, and some in tech 2 items I have produced.

A 'lot' of ISK, to me, is someone that feels comfortable roaming in dangerous space in a HAC or more expensive ship.

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Nevin Dread
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-03-30 20:50:00 UTC
I have about 150mil right now and average around 200mil. Not alot, but i can support myself and thats what matters. If you can support yourself two, its not really important how much raw isk you have, though i suppose someones said that already making my post rudundent Roll
Yuna Talie-Kuo
Laborantem Societatis
#29 - 2013-03-30 21:00:58 UTC
I was the head of a minor industrial corporation. When things went south, I ended up with approximately 2 billion in assets. After that, befriended some peeps, and chilled. Then they threw money at me. (4 Billion to be exact).

In short, easy come, easy go :P

I don't always do shit. But when I do, it's usually worth doing.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-03-30 22:06:30 UTC
If you're an industrialist, 200mil isk won't even buy one decent blueprint.

If you're a PvPer who's into small gangs, yeah you can survive on 200mil isk (cheap fits and the aspect of salvaging keeps the costs in control...make sure to level salvaging, as it'll pay for itself).

If you aspire to fly the big ships, 200mil will only buy the hull of a small T2 ship. The rigs will break the bank.

Since coming back to the game, inflation has risen considerably (time-codes were selling for 550mil then, now it's topping 1bil). PLEX now equals the price of past time-codes, despite the RL cost for them hasn't changed.

So to be comfortable money wise now, you'll need a couple billion isk to do anything but small gang PvP and maybe exploration.

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Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
#31 - 2013-03-31 12:15:06 UTC
Threads like these pop up in Market Discussions with some regularity, so here's the general consensus for the individual wealth measured in absolute terms for a typical industrialist/market trader, based off what I remember from the last thread :

Anything below 10b is considered relatively poor
10b-100b is considered well - off / Middle Class
100b - 1t would put you well in the category of a Mogul

You should note that the above is purely the result of light - hearted speculative discussion based off what was considered the "average" EVE player's wealth, may or may not include fixed assets like POSes and the like, does not take into account the possible heightened expenditure for multiple alt accounts, etc.

At the end of it - as others have already mentioned - if you have enough to see your wallet continue to grow and pay for your future goals while enjoying yourself the entire time, you're already plenty rich.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-04-01 16:29:07 UTC
Aptenodytes wrote:
Ben Cashman wrote:
I have no idea what a "decent" amount of ISK is in this game, or what the value of it actually is.

ISK is just pixels, and all those pixels belong to CCP anyway. So the "value" of ISK is zero.
You could value it in PLEX terms. 200 mil is just under half a PLEX which costs around $15. So your fortune is "worth" about $7. However this is a one-way conversion; you can convert RL money into ISK, but not the other way round.

If you are having fun then who cares if other people consider 200 mil to be a lot or not?


If it is a value of zero, then it is infinitely easy to acquire.

"Who cares as long as he's having fun?"

Probably him, if he found a way to make more isk, easier, and in a more fun way. No matter what, he'll be paying $15/month, but the quest is, does he want to have fun or a lot of fun?

What's his best bang for his buck.

I've had numerous times where I was doing something the "hard way". It worked just fine and I was content, but once I learned the easy way, my time enjoyed sky-rocketed.

I do agree, one can't rate fun factor via isk earned, but it is important to make sure you're not wasting your time doing things the "hard way".
Robot Robot
Plate of Beans Incorporated
#33 - 2013-04-01 18:05:39 UTC
To answer your question: 200mil is a lot for a fifteen day day character. Most other 15 day characters would be amazed that you have made that much.

For an older player, it's still a chunk of change, but not that important in the greater scheme of things. If I (4 years in) lost a 200mil ship I would make a face like Straight but not a face like Shocked.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-04-03 02:13:53 UTC
Forest Archer wrote:
A weird question in my oppinion but I find wealth is measured in 3 ways in eve

Isk amount
Asset amount
Whether you can fund your play style

You'll hear all kinds of answer really depends if your satisfied.


I like that - it's fairly accurate.

Old story from about 3.5 years ago... new player had cleared a billion isk and was asking if that was good enough to look at risking moving to more dangerous areas.

A senior member said "that's more than I have, I've only got about 400 mill".

I asked them "but how much do you have in assets scattered around?"

The senior member said "6... maybe 8 billion. I don't pay that much attention to it. It's what I need, when I need it that counts".

Isk isn't that big a measure for what you do in this game. It's having what you need, when you need it to keep playing the way you want.

As such, 200 million may be chump change to some but plenty to others - depending on a variety of situations that add up to "having available what I need, when I need it".

For others - remember that new people often try and "save up" before going out to risk what they own. Old discussions on it were "don't try low/null until you have a billion banked up." - anyone remember this stuff?

So some new guy would fly around in 1 rifter, with maybe a hauling indy parked somewhere, after saving up that billion and go try out low, setting their med clone to a lowsec station. They then go roaming and get popped but manage to get their pod to a near by station... Just to end up without any combat ships and nothing for sale in that station they can fly...

1 account so no "alt to go get ...", a billion isk but nothing they can fly beyond a shuttle... Finally getting back to the new "home" station just to find they didn't bother to check on all the fittings & rigs to go on the hulls that were for sale there...

Lovely - a billionaire with no fitted ships they can fly and a LONG haul back to where ships & fittings *MAY* be sold...

No, isk isn't all of the picture vs having what you need, where you need it, when you need it.
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