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Vos Landsener
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-26 23:35:59 UTC
How do I route materials to a secondary Advanced Industry Facility so that I can increase production?

At the moment I have a Basic fac supplying a single Advanced one but how to route to a second one?

...or do I have to add another Basic and Advanced facility to the setup?

Hope that all makes sense! ShockedLol
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2011-10-26 23:40:57 UTC
Launchpad (P0) -> BIF -> Launchpad (P1) -> AIF x n (they'll pull the P1) -> Launchpad (P2)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Vos Landsener
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-28 18:48:16 UTC
Thanks. I still don't quite get it though! If I put an extra AIF down next to the existing one, will it draw from the BIF? I looked at the routing and there doesn't seem to be a way to route same resources to two locations.

:)
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#4 - 2011-10-28 18:57:06 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Launchpad (P0) -> BIF -> Launchpad (P1) -> AIF x n (they'll pull the P1) -> Launchpad (P2)


ECU -> LP -> BIF -> LP -> AIF -> LP -> AIF
- and you can use the same LP for all 3 steps in the chain

Advantage of routing from the P2 AIF into the LP rather then straight to the P3 AIF is so you can supplement things by bringing P2 down to the planet and have it automatically work.

As for the original question, I will assume that you have a single LP, surrounded by AIFs and you want to run multiple AIFs all making the same thing.

1. Setup the LP, import a balanced mixture of P1 goods to feed the AIFs.
2. Setup the AIFs around the LP, create links from each AIF to the LP.
3. Install the schematic in the AIFs.
4. Make sure the output of the AIF routes back to the LP.
5. Click on the LP, click on the first P1 input, create route, point it at the first AIF.
6. Repeat step #5 for the other AIFs.
7. Repeat steps 5 & 6 for the second P1 input.

On a level 4 command center, making P2 out of P1, I generally setup as:

LP <-> (6) AIFs
LP <-> (6) AIFs
LP <-> (6) AIFs

Which is (3) LPs and (18) AIFs, all making the same thing. It runs for 54-55 hours without needing to be refilled (so every other day fill-ups works great).
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#5 - 2011-10-28 18:59:32 UTC
When you look at your LP's routes in a situation where you have (4) AIFs and (1) LP, you should see:

P1 #1 - 40 - outgoing
P1 #1 - 40 - outgoing
P1 #1 - 40 - outgoing
P1 #1 - 40 - outgoing
P1 #2 - 40 - outgoing
P1 #2 - 40 - outgoing
P1 #2 - 40 - outgoing
P1 #2 - 40 - outgoing
P2 - 5 - incoming
P2 - 5 - incoming
P2 - 5 - incoming
P2 - 5 - incoming

If you see more outgoing routes then the number of AIFs that you have, you have a problem.
Vos Landsener
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-28 19:41:32 UTC
Hmm... Ugh

I'm only using Storage facilities and I've upgraded to level 5.

Despite this, the setup only supports x2 extractors, x2 storage, x2 BIFs and 1x AIF. I wouldn't have enough power for any more than two AIFs plus all the LPs suggested.

All my buildings are right next to each other so I'm not wasting any power on long connections.

Something's wrong somewhere... Shocked
Velicitia
XS Tech
#7 - 2011-10-28 19:42:48 UTC
Vos Landsener wrote:
Hmm... Ugh

I'm only using Storage facilities and I've upgraded to level 5.

Despite this, the setup only supports x2 extractors, x2 storage, x2 BIFs and 1x AIF. I wouldn't have enough power for any more than two AIFs plus all the LPs suggested.

All my buildings are right next to each other so I'm not wasting any power on long connections.

Something's wrong somewhere... Shocked



you're using 2x extractors. Bob's fitting seems to have only one.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Vos Landsener
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-28 20:05:12 UTC
If I'm extracting two products to feed the BIFs then surely I must need x2 Extractors? Ugh
Velicitia
XS Tech
#9 - 2011-10-28 20:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
yeah, if you're EXTRACTING.
but no one said you had to do extracting and manufacturing on the same planet...

I run 4 planets ... Barren, Lava, Oceanic, Gas
(B) -- extract Noble Metals (2x extractors)
(G) -- extract whichever gas makes electrolytes (2x extractors)
(L) -- Extract Toxic Metals (1x extractor), import Noble Metals ... make Enriched Uranium (4 Toxic -> P1, 4 Noble -> P1, 4 EU AIF)
(O) -- Extract Aqueous Liquids (1x extractor), import gas ... make Coolant ( 4 liquid -> water, 4 gas -> electrolytes, 4 coolant AIF)

yes, I import the P0, because my mining colonies (Barren and Gas) move to follow the hot spots.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Vos Landsener
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-10-28 20:15:34 UTC
Ok, thanks. I just simply fail to see how people can have dozens of buildings in their schemes!

My aim was to work up to an AIF on one planet then export to another (etc) but I've seen instances where thare are many multiple BIFs/AIFs next to each other - how do they route product because I can't seem to do it with even two?

:)
Vos Landsener
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-10-28 20:25:08 UTC
Here be screenie:

http://bit.ly/uEKeCn

:)
Velicitia
XS Tech
#12 - 2011-10-28 20:30:05 UTC
Vos Landsener wrote:
Ok, thanks. I just simply fail to see how people can have dozens of buildings in their schemes!

My aim was to work up to an AIF on one planet then export to another (etc) but I've seen instances where thare are many multiple BIFs/AIFs next to each other - how do they route product because I can't seem to do it with even two?

:)



let's say you have one launchpad, 8 BIF, and 4 AIF

connect all 12 factories to the launchpad (having routes go through a factory are OK, you can "hop" through up to 5 structures, provided the transport links can handle the volume).

1. Now, import 450,000 each of the P0 into the launchpad.
2. Route P0a into four of the BIF
3. Route P0b into the other four BIF
4. Route the output of ALL EIGHT BIF back into the launchpad
5. Route P1a and P1b into all four AIF from the launchpad
6. Route the output of ALL FOUR AIF back into the launchpad.

If you're using extractors, Route P0 from the extractor into the launchpad, and continue from step 2.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#13 - 2011-10-28 20:32:58 UTC
Generally speaking - unless you are in lo-sec or null-sec (or w-space), trying to extract all the way from P0->P2 on a single planet is doomed to failure. And even in lo-sec, it's generally hard to do effectively.

In hi-sec, stick to specialization. Extract your P0, convert it with BIFs, store it in a Launch Pad (never use the Storage Silos, they're not properly balanced), then export as P1. Then, on a different planet, run P1->P2 or P1->P3 or P2->P3 or P3->P4 or P2->P4 setups.

P1->P2 and P2->P3 and P3->P4 are simple setups as I showed above with (3) LPs and (18-24) AIFs or (2) LPs and (20-25) AIFs. Or a few LPs combined with HTPPs to make L4s.

If you want to go from P1->P3, and it's a 2-input P3, then you can do (2) LPs (16 or 20) P2 AIFs and (4 or 5) P3 AIFs.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#14 - 2011-10-28 20:33:25 UTC
Vos Landsener wrote:
Here be screenie:

http://bit.ly/uEKeCn

:)


ah.

you're doing it wrong.

1. get rid of BOTH Silos. Replace with one launchpad.
2. Route the output of BOTH extractors into the launchpad.
3. add BIF around the launchpad, and route P0 into BIF as necessary
4. route BIF output back into launchpad.
5. add AIF around launchpad, route P1 into AIF
6. route AIF output back into launchpad.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#15 - 2011-10-28 20:41:34 UTC
Vos Landsener
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-10-28 20:57:54 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Vos Landsener wrote:
Here be screenie:

http://bit.ly/uEKeCn

:)


ah.

you're doing it wrong.

1. get rid of BOTH Silos. Replace with one launchpad.
2. Route the output of BOTH extractors into the launchpad.
3. add BIF around the launchpad, and route P0 into BIF as necessary
4. route BIF output back into launchpad.
5. add AIF around launchpad, route P1 into AIF
6. route AIF output back into launchpad.

Damnnnnn....

So it's the storage facs that were draining my power? I also didn't realise you could route stuff in/out/in/out of the LP!

Thanks all, I'll give it a whirl :)
Vos Landsener
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-10-28 22:05:33 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Generally speaking - unless you are in lo-sec or null-sec (or w-space), trying to extract all the way from P0->P2 on a single planet is doomed to failure. And even in lo-sec, it's generally hard to do effectively.

In hi-sec, stick to specialization. Extract your P0, convert it with BIFs, store it in a Launch Pad (never use the Storage Silos, they're not properly balanced), then export as P1. Then, on a different planet, run P1->P2 or P1->P3 or P2->P3 or P3->P4 or P2->P4 setups.

P1->P2 and P2->P3 and P3->P4 are simple setups as I showed above with (3) LPs and (18-24) AIFs or (2) LPs and (20-25) AIFs. Or a few LPs combined with HTPPs to make L4s.

If you want to go from P1->P3, and it's a 2-input P3, then you can do (2) LPs (16 or 20) P2 AIFs and (4 or 5) P3 AIFs.

Fair one. Mind you, earning approaching a million ISK per day (so far) 'sleeping income' isn't bad going for a 12 day-old character who's re-learning the ropes after a three year absence! ;) It's all a good learning process.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#18 - 2011-10-28 23:52:13 UTC
Hi-Sec PI planets, if you pick the right 5 planets (survey a few systems, look at the different heat maps, estimate market price times the level of the heat map average) - can easily make 600-800k ISK/day before the spike in PI prices.

5 x 600 x 30 = 90M/mo.

If you pay attention and pick the right planets and move your ECU's extractor heads daily (and you placed the ECUs well in the first place), you can push that up to 800k/day (currently about 1M/day) per planet.

(That's numbers for P1 harvest planets which are just 2 ECUs, 1 LP and 2-4 BIFs.)
Vos Landsener
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-10-30 22:20:01 UTC
I'm finding that there's simply no demand for P3 so will just sell the P2 stuff for now otherwise I'd be at a massive loss.

Is this because the market hasn't matured enough for P3 yet?
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#20 - 2011-10-30 23:08:36 UTC
Depends what you make. A lot of the P3 this week are underwater because the P1/P2 prices have gone up so drastically and the P3 prices haven't kept pace. Many buyers are also holding off purchasing any more then is needed due to price spike.

(There's also a few P3s which were previously NPC sold and there are still very large stockpiles. Anything with a price history earlier then June 2010 was previously NPC sold. See sites like EVE-MarketData to get a feel for that.)