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Revelations of Account Security and EULA Violations

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Grimbold Dengrist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-30 15:20:59 UTC
I am a regular poster on "The Website That Should Not Be Named" and the recent comments by CCP concern me. Can you tell me what the odds are of my account being hacked, hard drive being destroyed, identity being stolen, etc.

It seems illogical that CCP would be aware of illegal activities and cyber threats to their clients and take no action beyond not talking about it.

Tl;dr: Tell us what the threat is or stop being little bitches about a guy whos actions led to the CSM being created and other aspects of EVE we enjoy today.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#2 - 2011-10-30 15:33:27 UTC
/agree

My concern is that double standards are being practiced when it comes to censorship. Which is directly alienating a certain community group,

You would think that if the security issues where already known by CCP and are apparent enough to warrant continual censorship, that some form of warning would be given to the player base. I mean it is one of the largest Eve based community forums after all.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
DreamTrooperX
O C C U P Y
#3 - 2011-10-30 16:14:16 UTC
K.com is simply a place where people can discuss eve politics. It is a place away from EVE-O and allows some people to hide their identity and post under an alias. As far as I've seen there is no EULA violations, or threads promoting it.

I see people posting about ****-posters and such, however there are 2 forum sections dedicated to keep those two apart.

"Eve Online Uncensored"
Where people can troll and do whatever without ridicule (within reason)

"Serious Discussion"
Where those who like to talk serious, and discuss a certain topic without trolls and slanderous posting.

K.com is very mis-presented in the general Eve population, and I believe a lot of it comes purely from CCP's view on it.

Whether or not it has anything about the T20 incident or not, ask yourself, if the site was named anything else, could you honestly say it would still be Censored?
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#4 - 2011-10-30 18:25:54 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Off topic part removed, CCP Phantom.

Edit: Because if such allegations are true, well gg no re for me good sirs. Lol
David Magnus
#5 - 2011-10-30 20:35:32 UTC
It's actually really upsetting that I can so easily type Kugutsumen.
Every other piece of forum software fixed this kind of thing like ten years ago.

At this point I am more concerned about my security when posting here than I am at Kugutsumen.

http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/fight-us-maybe

http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/winterupdate

http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/supercaps

http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/pandemiclegion
Grimbold Dengrist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-30 20:50:50 UTC
Haha, really?

Kugu is blocked for EULA violations but eve-bot slips by?

And of course evenews was really public about their botting reports, even asking CCP for comments on it.

On Kugu most of the threads with botting references have 2 kinds of posts: Those who dislike botting with a passion, and those who are ambivelant and see it as something for CCP to deal with as they will.
Alizandro Goderaski
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#7 - 2011-10-30 21:37:08 UTC
Just freaking un-censor the name and get it over with.
Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-30 22:25:15 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
CCP Navigator wrote:
The site in question is not a registered fansite. All registered and approved fansites can be found here.

Please note that the Assembly Hall is not a venue for threads to be spammed just to get attention and this one will be locked.


So does a fansite have to be regestered to be a fansite?

I assume all non-official fansites and eve related forum (the EVE section on reddit?) and any website that is not an official fansite is automatically blocked by the great and benevolent filter on this forums... also all fansites on that list were blocked before they made it on the list...

BTW, google shows botting / isk ads

Block Google.

Also, botting / isk ads show up on most / all websites using google ads at some point, despite the owners requesting them to not show such ads (Such as on Chribba's sites at some points)

ISK AD SHOWN ONCE, BLOCK BLOCK BLOCK...

Also, malware, really? Why is the site still up? OHWAI- CCP is full of ****.

Also, what the **** CCP, how is EVEnews24 not blocked yet? They just posted a ******* guide on how to bot.

And yet, somehow, Kugutsumen is still blocked because it encourages EULA violations... POINT TO THE LOCATION IN THE ******* EULA!!

TLDR: CCP is full of ****

EDIT:

CCP Navigator wrote:
The site in question is not a registered fansite. All registered and approved fansites can be found here.

Please note that the Assembly Hall is not a venue for threads to be spammed just to get attention and this one will be locked.


Bolded the unprofessional lazy part where you did not delete the spammer's posts (and, quite reasonably, provide a temporary ban to the spammer) and killed a thread that actually had some discussion going on because the developer in question responding to the community's questions was providing poor answers and nothing to back them up...

smooth...
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#9 - 2011-10-31 00:44:27 UTC
Lorren Canada wrote:
Anyone wana take bets on how long this thread will last before Manny spams it to death again?


I'm pretty sure that your beloved and respected colleague Manny is taking a well-deserved break from the forums for a few days. Such is the peril of those who speak "truth" to "power", especially when said "truth" is spamming one word over and over and over again. That works for Buddhists meditating "facing the wall", or for the terrible posters on terrible fan sites with names that must not be mentioned.

What works for EVE Online forums is posters who talk about the game and their interactions with other players in a civil manner. What works on your other forum is certainly not civil: your "good posts" are the equivalent of a drunk teenager mooning passing traffic on the highway in the middle of the night. That is to say, of no value other than the vulgar entertainment of the people constituting the "in crowd".

Leaving the site that must not be named as a forbidden secret of the EVE Universe has worked better for that sites popularity than any other spruiking.

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DreamTrooperX
O C C U P Y
#10 - 2011-10-31 01:13:42 UTC
He's not worth any more.

And it's not just cause a word is censored. This is a matter of principle. The fact that we have to dip and dodge around a filter to lo link to an Eve Fan-site that, despite some faggotry in "Eve Online Uncensored" is completely harmless. Not to mention is home to the biggest supporters of Eve, and source of in-game news and politics.

Kugu has done all this without breaking the EULA, nor supporting the breaking of the EULA. Nothing rule breaking has gone on there except some harsh language.

Even IF they keep it censored, what the fans of Kugu want is ANSWERS, give us a good enough reason why it should remain censored and most, if not all, will accept it. But if theirs no REASONABLE reason for it to remain censored, then stop.

CCP can do one of three things:

1) Continue to make lame excuses, close threads, and push us aside. But we will continue until we are satisfied.
2) Give us a PROPER reasoning behind the censorship.
3) STOP CENSORING KUGU.

I await to see their decision.
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#11 - 2011-10-31 01:47:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Rer Eirikr
The only part I don't understand in all of this is the ignorance surrounding Kugu. Granted the legends and fables of ~evil-doings and general faggotry~ surrounding the website are kind of interesting, but the fact that people actually buy into said ideas is... well sort of funny.

When I was a space-noob, okay when I was a bigger space-noob than I am now, I also experienced the ~shroud of mystery~ surrounding the Kugu community, but the reality is we're pretty much just another site to shoot the **** about EVE and whatever else we feel like blabbing about.

The censor doesn't really make sense to have anymore, and if they were to lift it I feel it would show just how much CCP really has changed.
Leyla Constantine
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-10-31 10:51:41 UTC
Not Supported!!!

Like my comment if you agree
DreamTrooperX
O C C U P Y
#13 - 2011-10-31 13:24:04 UTC
Eve news 24 is INCREDIBLY bias. Rivereni has a bad choice of words. Most things, if not all things, are exagerated by him.

Kugutsumen, is a place where we can display our own sides of each engagement. The site does have it's "in crowd", but as it stands, anyone can sign up for kugu, but not anyone can be a good poster. Neither will change.
Sylar McIntyr
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-31 16:25:30 UTC
Murrior
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-10-31 16:56:32 UTC
The funny part is that it's the most populated Eve fansite which runs since 2007 and we never actually had any complaints related to the accusations we are receiving, or in reality the excuses for keeping this useless filter; with its population even INCREASING every year.

Isn't it obvious that if any of this was really true it would have been reported over the years, at least by a few people and instead of having its memberbase increasing it would eventually become a deadzone (like shitheap but for totally different reasons)?

If CCP really grew up and did take the :honest: road it's about time to drop the egoistical nonsense that comes from the fact that the creator of the site did catch them once with their pants down and do what is only obvious; remove this damn filter.
Zrygthn Azurlm Zharous
Pink Sockers
#16 - 2011-10-31 20:21:21 UTC
Why would CCP need to explain why you put your computer, EVE account and identity at risk by frequenting a site managed by internet terrorists who hack into other peoples forums to generate content for their site so they can make money off advertising and foreplay subs?

Mula is begging for money on his forums. His dreams would come true if he could get noobs coming from E-O site unaware that he saves password in plain text format and then he can steal their EVe accounts, sell for RL isk so he can afford to bang more russian supermodels.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#17 - 2011-10-31 20:43:10 UTC
Zrygthn Azurlm Zharous wrote:
Why would CCP need to explain why you put your computer, EVE account and identity at risk by frequenting a site managed by internet terrorists who hack into other peoples forums to generate content for their site so they can make money off advertising and foreplay subs?

Mula is begging for money on his forums. His dreams would come true if he could get noobs coming from E-O site unaware that he saves password in plain text format and then he can steal their EVe accounts, sell for RL isk so he can afford to bang more russian supermodels.


If you use the same username and password for random forums as you do with your Eve online account, you deserve to get hacked. Irregardless its funny how false accusations seem to spread.

Curious wouldn't in the long run that actually be bad for his site if he did that? I mean word would obviously get out and people would stop going to the site, so all revenue would stop from ads and foreplay. Kind of silly to take that risk in the slim hope some ****** uses same user/pass.

Nice try though. Also the users of the forum generate the content, thats kind of the appeal of running a forum.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#18 - 2011-11-01 09:24:29 UTC
Off topic posts removed.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Razzor Death
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-11-01 10:39:31 UTC
how the **** was my post off topic.

**** you
Razzor Death
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-11-01 10:44:18 UTC
CCP are a bigger joke than they was before. Anyone that thinks the people behaving like this are going to 'change' is ********.
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