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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#21 - 2011-10-30 18:24:45 UTC
The dreads were made for POS bashing, IE hitting a non moving target. Don't need drones for that.

They are a specialty ship, not a JOATs. You want a jack, get a SC.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#22 - 2011-10-30 19:07:05 UTC
yeah keep in mind there is a new tech II siege mod with 800% increase to damage... this would mean your moros is doing over 11000 k dps... not too shabby if i do so say myself....

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
rampro
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-10-30 19:11:27 UTC
u can always run ladar sites in it
Skarned
Inroads
#24 - 2011-10-30 21:09:42 UTC
Can I have your Moros and the rest of your stuff?
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#25 - 2011-10-30 21:22:56 UTC
Riiekus wrote:
I'm Super Pissed,

Hey what is this Crap that you are taking the drone bays out of dreads, i just spent 1 and 1/2 years training to get into my moros which is finished in two days and cost me billions to make in my wormhole and 7 months of building components. I havent spent all this time training my Gallentte skills to finally reach the milestone and have it gone. SO basically in a nut shell i have spent a huge amount of training time, tons of hours mining to get the minerals to build the componenets and isk buying the minerals to build a dreadnought in our wh space that is absolutely now useless.Oops i have noticed over the last few months the drastic drop in people playing the game if this Nerf happens i promise my two chars will be gone to. you nerfed alot of the Gallentte ships Like my fav Deimos i was so stoked to get into and find out its nowhere near what it used to be. And im not taking this crap, not after all the time i spent on this project. Now i have a Moros that is absolutely useless in my c1 wormhole. yay me.


Dreadnoughts
Remove drone bay from all dreadnoughts.
Siege Module I: Boost damage bonus from 625% to 700% to compensate for loss of drones.
Siege Module I: Duration time reduced to 5 minutes. Fuel cost -50%.
Moros: Remove drone bonus.
Moros: New bonus: 5% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret rate of fire per level.


you trained up dreadnaughts just for 5 pissy little drones ????

what the hell is wrong with you, if you care that much go get in a bloody dominix, you get a 75% damage boost to your dreadnaughts guns your fuel cost is cut in half and you hate the fact you get a ROF bonus now.

also there has to be something wrong with your corp if youa ctually need a dreadnaught in a C1 wormhole i mean come on.
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-10-30 21:43:51 UTC
well, now that you have the dread skills, its high time you upgraded to a c5 or C6, where you will actually appreciate the guns in seige mode (I know I will). Also... you would probably kill things slower in a C1 in a dread than you would in an ishtar, due to minor little issues like locking time...

-Arazel
Riiekus
Dark Side Industrials
#27 - 2011-10-30 21:55:20 UTC
Nominds,

My point is, "WE" train so long towards an objective in the game to have ccp turn around and nerf everything you worked for.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#28 - 2011-10-30 22:38:31 UTC
Riiekus wrote:
Nominds,

My point is, "WE" train so long towards an objective in the game to have ccp turn around and nerf everything you worked for.

If the 5 little drones are the only thing a person trains for a dread, they deserve everything they get when CCP buffs.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#29 - 2011-10-30 22:42:15 UTC
Spend so much time mining and building all those components is...stupid when you should have sell them and made far more isk than you need to do interesting stuff.

Now you need to train for a carrier.

Start mining at

1


2


3

GO !
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#30 - 2011-10-30 23:14:31 UTC
OP you are the ONLY person on these forums to complain about a dreadnaught boost so far.

and probably the only one with a dread in a C1 wormhole for that matter lol
Daniel L'Siata
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#31 - 2011-10-30 23:50:50 UTC
There's this thing called a Carrier. Look it up.

Your point is valid, but it's idiotic in the context of bitching about not being able to run C1 sites with a Dreadnought because you don't have drones.
Verloc Nostromo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2011-10-31 01:52:34 UTC
I understand the sentiment, but you have to look at it from the correct perspective. Yes, the Moros was a pretty decent drone boat and could take on several subcaps and win. The only problem with this is that a capital ship is not SUPPOSED to be able to take on several subcaps and win. A solo capital ship is supposed to die in a hurry if its left unsupported against even a small subcap gang.
Naso Gomez
#33 - 2011-10-31 06:31:41 UTC
Shouldn't take you long to train to a Thanatos if you already have the skills for a drone Moros, I'm sure you must have trained drone interfacing 5 for it. If so, all you have to do is train Gallente Carrier 1 and set off into the sunset to kill stuff with... drones. Plus if anyone ever sets up a POS in your WH, pull out the Moros and blow it up like it's designed to be used. But really, you should have just made a carrier instead, if you really wanted a capital ship, don't know why you chose the Moros.
Murtific
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#34 - 2011-10-31 07:17:41 UTC
a c1 wormhole? HAHAHAHAHAHA


Shocked
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#35 - 2011-10-31 14:37:27 UTC
I actually feel robbed by CCP here, to be honest. We should all feel robbed.

He wanted to build a Moros to "sit on the WH with 55 drones"

CCP have robbed him of his insane dreams.
CCP have robbed us all of a chance at the inevitable killmail.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

yumike
Doomheim
#36 - 2011-10-31 15:38:28 UTC
Riiekus wrote:
Your all missing the point, the point isnt what i decided to build in my wormhole, its all the training and time and effort that has gone into something that has been takin away. Yea you say the moros gets a bonus woopty ******* doo, go buy a moros let me know where you are and ill bring a few of my friends and we will take it out in no time because without drones those siege guns aint gonna hit **** unless u in a pos.


That's the point of a dreadnought, To destroy enemy capitals and stations.

If your fielding it for any OTHER reason then of course it will die, it shouldn't be on the field and that is the exact same its been for the other dreads for a long time, Now the moros is getting rebalanced to be the same.
Cypher Decypher
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2011-10-31 23:17:39 UTC
I don't see why the OP should be so peeved. The Moros still makes lovely tanky hauler. He'll still be able to move 70k m3's worth of shite from one CHA to another.

And he doesn't even need to train industrials.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2011-10-31 23:56:36 UTC
I too like to use Dreads to kill Sleeper frigs

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To mare
Advanced Technology
#39 - 2011-11-01 00:49:55 UTC
moros will be a f*king beast with these changes (at least compared to other dreadsBig smile)
over 4000 dps with rails
and over 10k with blasters
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#40 - 2011-11-02 13:51:42 UTC
No, you're all still missing the point.

The OP trained very specifically for a ship with drone bonuses. It doesn't matter if that ship is better or worse without them, it was advertised as a drone ship and that's what he wanted so he trained for it. After all his training he has found that the advert was misleading and it is no longer a drone ship. He didn't want a large ship with big guns for shooting pos or other capitals, he wanted the drone ship it was advertised to be.

Given the massive change that has been made to the moros since I trained for it (lv5 dread and all) when it had a 50% drone dps bonus, I feel cheated too to be honest.

If I wanted to buy apples that's what I'd do, but i wanted oranges. I paid for oranges. Being sold oranges that change into apples before you can eat them is wrong. CCP should learn to balance around ship usage, not totally change ship usage to try to create balance.
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