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Okay, I've been thinking about something I could add to this without it looking like a hollow bump, as ISD was kind enough to advise me that I was borderline breaking rules. So with that, I have come to a decision regarding the Envoy-class ships.

If they were designed, there would be absolutely no need for a jump-capable version, as Carriers fill that role nicely, but when it comes to high-sec logistics, there is still a gap.

Sure, there's always the courier contract, but why the **** should you have to go through that (which when you're moving enough stuff, gets extremely tedious) to move your own stuff? The answer, quite simply, is that you shouldn't. There is no justifiable reason for it, and to the "get an Orca" camp, let's see you attempt to move all of your rigged battleships in an Orca. Some people multi-spec in their training, and thus have several different ship types, and other than the Orca not having the ship maintenance bay to haul battleships, you are also severely limited as to how many ships you can fit into it.

So with that, I am not saying that we as pilots of New Eden want, or desire this.

I am saying we, the pilots of New Eden NEED this.

+1 Very useful idea!

like the idea as well.

+1 from me.

in fact: anything that makes logistics more viable without diminishing the size of the overall galaxy (like JF´s and jumpdrives did in general) would probably get a +1 from me

but I guess that is another story told another time

i like the idea, maybe rounding it abit too. You will have the proposed ships who can fill at max skills 3 macherials + some small stuff. get a somewhat useable tank (would like normal freighters with better tank too) and no jump capabilities. And then there is another line of those ships which can only fit 1 and a half mach but use jump drives.

Anyone have any ideas on how to improve this?

I'm not sure I get the full gist of this idea yet. When I first saw the Orca I actually thought it could be used as a "space caravan" then realized it was meant to be a mining vessel.

If the concept here is to have a ship that can be used to move our stuff around a lot easier or to "move house" when your sov bases get taken over , would it not be simpler to retask ships we already have to new roles?

We have Carriers already. The hull could be re-tasked so the skill list is no longer "combat based", jump capability removed, combat roles removed, drone bay removed, etc etc, and we have a ship mover.

Such a ship would never be allowed in Hisec though without major changes to EHP because if it takes the role of a Freighter with a higher degree of safety, it could never be ganked, and everyone would be up in arms over that.

Let's not have this idea die a quiet death. We need to get the Tug Class into EVE.

Keep posting your ideas and feedback so the CSM has something solid to take to CCP for consideration.

Since I've been looking at Incursions recently, I've found the logistics of moving a Battleship and a Logistics hull impossible to do without resorting to contracts or by using a support alt to move the required gear. There should be an easier way of moving rigged ships without resorting to the contract system.

It would also greatly assist with the movement of gear if you join a new Corp.

Thanks for the Support mate

I can live with that.