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Trebor Daehdoow for CSM8 - The Proven Performer - http://bit.ly/vote-trebor

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Frying Doom
#401 - 2013-03-31 15:46:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Frying Doom: Attacking the proven performers, but defending the horrible racists.

Firstly I will always defend someones rights no matter who they are. Every one has the right of freedom of association (but No I don't believe people have the right to be racist scum) If you don't like that you can go back to the fascist country you were born in.

As to the other, could you point to me clearly what Trebor has achieved in CSM 7 other than to hand CSM 8 to Null sec and diminish our power as players with regards to the CSM?

And no cheering for Seleene and CCP don't count.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#402 - 2013-03-31 15:56:51 UTC
On a serious note to Trebor

Yes you do have some good and interesting ideas and to be quite honest I would have been more open to them if you hadn't voted an ex-ccp employee into the chairmanship and also the disaster that is the CSM 8 elections.

The elections in particular show a complete contempt for the community by CCP and the CSM, it went completely against everything the community said was needed and did the exact opposite.

The problem with the CSM elections is not the voting system, that was good enough for the moment. The problem was the pathetic voter turn out. The new system will make less people want to vote as the country that that system was removed from has a big difference to the CSM elections. These are of course, political parties and on the senate ballot you can just tick one box and your votes apply to the members of that party rather than having to list all of the candidates in their order. Guess which method most Australians use.

So you have gotten a voting system that is a lot more complicated so that no one will actually know who they voted for and then made it so our votes matter a whole lot less, by giving CCP the ability to chose 5 of the 7 that go to Iceland. All because you were more worried about what CCP got out of it rather than the opinions of the player base.

And that is it Trebor you have some wonderful ideas but the really bad ideas you have unfortunately just don't work. This game will not survive if CCP spends to much time worrying about its bottom line, after all that was what cost them millions because of Greed is good, Incarna and the Nex store.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Tcar
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#403 - 2013-03-31 16:20:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tcar
Frying Doom wrote:


So was that clear enough for you?

As secretary he did not perform all of his duties. It really is that simple. So hardly the "Proven Performer"1


Disregarding slurs on my genetics, hygiene, and number of sesame seeds in my keyboard. . . excellent troll sir, because I cannot believe that you can be this dense or obtuse as to think that the alleged failure to update a EVE-O wiki constitutes failure or poor ability on Trebor's part, especially when the updating/non-updating of said EVE-O wiki page was the responsibility of Two Step, who gave the me culpa here.

Stop trying to wag the dog and change facts through misrepresentation and bombast. You are deliberately misrepresenting the facts. Is your life that lonely that you have to sh-tpoast in Trebor's thread on the EVE-O forums to fill the aching hole in your life? Or do you think that you are doing whoever it is that you support a favor by looking the fool. Did Trebor kill you main on a hot drop? Which is it?

Funniest and most ironic part of this: I've ghost written EVE related articles that you have endorsed.

Also, again, a point which you gloss over. You have to put game development in terms which make concrete sense for a game studio. EVE is not art for arts sake. While this seems to be objectionable to you, you cannot refute the fact without attracting and retaining players EVE online will be dead. Any change or development to the game must be placed into terms which make concrete business sense. This core ability which is integral to successful advocacy by the CSM, so reviled by you, is in fact a strength which Trebor has displayed in his tenure in the past three CSMs. It is not about turning EVE into a theme park, making Hi sec PVP free, or making a sparkle pony expansion as many would beleive. It is about putting the wants and desires of the player base in terms which CCP can reconcile and move forward with.

This coming expansion will show what CSM7 has wrought during it's term. I have high hopes that this will be the first of several phenomenal expansions which bring EVE to the next level in terms of engagement and unique gaming experience. Doubtlessly FD, you will claim the sky is falling and still be harping on one wiki page which someone else didn't update.
Frying Doom
#404 - 2013-03-31 16:34:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Tcar wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:


So was that clear enough for you?

As secretary he did not perform all of his duties. It really is that simple. So hardly the "Proven Performer"1


Disregarding slurs on my genetics, hygiene, and number of sesame seeds in my keyboard. . . excellent troll sir, because I cannot believe that you can be this dense or obtuse as to think that the alleged failure to update a EVE-O wiki constitutes failure or poor ability on Trebor's part, especially when the updating/non-updating of said EVE-O wiki page was the responsibility of Two Step, who gave the me culpa here.

Stop trying to wag the dog and change facts through misrepresentation and bombast. You are deliberately misrepresenting the facts. Is your life that lonely that you have to sh-tpoast in Trebor's thread on the EVE-O forums to fill the aching hole in your life? Or do you think that you are doing whoever it is that you support a favor by looking the fool. Which is it?

Funniest and most ironic part of this: I've ghost written EVE related articles that you have endorsed. Who's the idiot now?

Yes and you all seem to think the cart comes before the horse. The fact that their would no longer be alternative delegates came out before the CSM 7 elections not after. So Trebor was the Secretary at the time not Two Step, who has said in all honesty he just doesn't care.

As to misrepresenting the facts no I am not at all. Trebor had a Job to do and didn't do it. It really is so simple you should be able to understand it. It was his job as secretary to update that page, he was not forced or made to be secretary he chose to do it, so like every other member of the CSM he had things he was expected to do. And he didn't do them. He slags off other members for failing to perform, when it is right here in front of your face that he failed to perform in his role as secretary.

And lets face it what is the Vice-Chairmans Job? Communication? You might want to see Jita park to see how well that went, and no the minutes twice a year are only a drop in the ocean. Maybe you should ask him how many town halls as Vice-Chairman they said they would have, then discover how many they did have.

As to your ghost written articles, well I obviously liked that fiction a lot better than the fiction you are writing now.

Oh and as to hot drops, that is inside the game and is just a game, and out here this game is politics.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
None ofthe Above
#405 - 2013-03-31 16:39:03 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Tcar wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:


So was that clear enough for you?

As secretary he did not perform all of his duties. It really is that simple. So hardly the "Proven Performer"1


Disregarding slurs on my genetics, hygiene, and number of sesame seeds in my keyboard. . . excellent troll sir, because I cannot believe that you can be this dense or obtuse as to think that the alleged failure to update a EVE-O wiki constitutes failure or poor ability on Trebor's part, especially when the updating/non-updating of said EVE-O wiki page was the responsibility of Two Step, who gave the me culpa here.

Stop trying to wag the dog and change facts through misrepresentation and bombast. You are deliberately misrepresenting the facts. Is your life that lonely that you have to sh-tpoast in Trebor's thread on the EVE-O forums to fill the aching hole in your life? Or do you think that you are doing whoever it is that you support a favor by looking the fool. Which is it?

Funniest and most ironic part of this: I've ghost written EVE related articles that you have endorsed. Who's the idiot now?

Yes and you all seem to think the cart comes before the horse. The fact that their would no longer be alternative delegates came out before the CSM 7 elections not after. So Trebor was the Secretary at the time not Two Step, who has said in all honesty he just doesn't care.

As to misrepresenting the facts no I am not at all. Trebor had a Job to do and didn't do it. It really is so simple you should be able to understand it. It was his job as secretary to update that page, he was not forced or made to be secretary he chose to do it, so like every other member of the CSM he had things he was expected to do. And he didn't do them. He slags off other members for failing to perform, when it is right here in front of your face that he failed to perform in his role as secretary.

And lets face it what is the Vice-Chairmans Job? Communication? You might want to see Jita park to see how well that went, and no the minutes twice a year are only a drop in the ocean. Maybe you should ask him how many town halls as Vice-Chairman they said they would have, then discover how many they did have.

As to your ghost written articles, well I obviously liked that fiction a lot better than the fiction you are writing now.


Oh, give it a rest, Frying.

Yes, maybe he had an opportunity to do this one thing, but it is hardly a disqualifying issue. Given all his other efforts this is definitely a specious argument attempting to make a mountain out of a molehill. Not even Poetic is bothering to pick on Trebor on this one.

No one is buying it.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Frying Doom
#406 - 2013-03-31 16:43:35 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Tcar wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:


So was that clear enough for you?

As secretary he did not perform all of his duties. It really is that simple. So hardly the "Proven Performer"1


Disregarding slurs on my genetics, hygiene, and number of sesame seeds in my keyboard. . . excellent troll sir, because I cannot believe that you can be this dense or obtuse as to think that the alleged failure to update a EVE-O wiki constitutes failure or poor ability on Trebor's part, especially when the updating/non-updating of said EVE-O wiki page was the responsibility of Two Step, who gave the me culpa here.

Stop trying to wag the dog and change facts through misrepresentation and bombast. You are deliberately misrepresenting the facts. Is your life that lonely that you have to sh-tpoast in Trebor's thread on the EVE-O forums to fill the aching hole in your life? Or do you think that you are doing whoever it is that you support a favor by looking the fool. Which is it?

Funniest and most ironic part of this: I've ghost written EVE related articles that you have endorsed. Who's the idiot now?

Yes and you all seem to think the cart comes before the horse. The fact that their would no longer be alternative delegates came out before the CSM 7 elections not after. So Trebor was the Secretary at the time not Two Step, who has said in all honesty he just doesn't care.

As to misrepresenting the facts no I am not at all. Trebor had a Job to do and didn't do it. It really is so simple you should be able to understand it. It was his job as secretary to update that page, he was not forced or made to be secretary he chose to do it, so like every other member of the CSM he had things he was expected to do. And he didn't do them. He slags off other members for failing to perform, when it is right here in front of your face that he failed to perform in his role as secretary.

And lets face it what is the Vice-Chairmans Job? Communication? You might want to see Jita park to see how well that went, and no the minutes twice a year are only a drop in the ocean. Maybe you should ask him how many town halls as Vice-Chairman they said they would have, then discover how many they did have.

As to your ghost written articles, well I obviously liked that fiction a lot better than the fiction you are writing now.


Oh, give it a rest, Frying.

Yes, maybe he had an opportunity to do this one thing, but it is hardly a disqualifying issue. Given all his other efforts this is definitely a specious argument attempting to make a mountain out of a molehill. Not even Poetic is bothering to pick on Trebor on this one.

No one is buying it.

Ok fair enough, can you list what his efforts actually were during CSM 7?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Hatori Agrue
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#407 - 2013-03-31 16:47:17 UTC
Tcar,

Let Poetic keep going.

This is pure cream. Big smile
None ofthe Above
#408 - 2013-03-31 16:47:43 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Ok fair enough, can you list what his efforts actually were during CSM 7?


Nope. They were far too numerous.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Tcar
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#409 - 2013-03-31 16:52:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tcar
None ofthe Above wrote:


Oh, give it a rest, Frying.

Yes, maybe he had an opportunity to do this one thing, but it is hardly a disqualifying issue. Given all his other efforts this is definitely a specious argument attempting to make a mountain out of a molehill. Not even Poetic is bothering to pick on Trebor on this one.

No one is buying it.


To heard FD tell it he's never forgotten to pay a bill, go to a dentist appointment, or any thing else of the sort.

Also, again, since you seem to missed out on Two Steps post I will quote it:

Two step wrote:


Uh, alternates weren't eliminated until CSM 7, when I was the secretary, not Trebor. So it sounds like your beef is with me, and I will freely admit to not caring about updating the wiki.


Man, it's a good thing that evil Two Step isn't running again. If he didn't update the wiki, how can we trust him to to **** livestock while in Iceland and not to sell CCP out to EA.

You have no point. Go sit the F down.
Frying Doom
#410 - 2013-03-31 16:54:52 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Ok fair enough, can you list what his efforts actually were during CSM 7?


Nope. They were far too numerous.

If he is such a proven performer why can no one actually list his achievements? Other than of course, suggestion to remove non-consentual war decs and of course the stupid STV voting system and the destruction of the CSM.

So come on list his proven performance for CSM 7

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Tcar
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#411 - 2013-03-31 16:56:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tcar
Frying Doom wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Ok fair enough, can you list what his efforts actually were during CSM 7?


Nope. They were far too numerous.

If he is such a proven performer why can no one actually list his achievements? Other than of course, suggestion to remove non-consentual war decs and of course the stupid STV voting system and the destruction of the CSM.

So come on list his proven performance for CSM 7


Oh, look, I had no point, let me throw out a distraction and hope no one notices I am as loud, empty, and hollow as a drum.

Ok, off the top of my head:

POSes & revamping, Black Ops, NPE, V3 & re-skinning of ships, getting CCP to work on the back log, UI fixes. . .
Frying Doom
#412 - 2013-03-31 16:59:54 UTC
Tcar wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:


Oh, give it a rest, Frying.

Yes, maybe he had an opportunity to do this one thing, but it is hardly a disqualifying issue. Given all his other efforts this is definitely a specious argument attempting to make a mountain out of a molehill. Not even Poetic is bothering to pick on Trebor on this one.

No one is buying it.


To heard FD tell it he's never forgotten to pay a bill, go to a dentist appointment, or any thing else of the sort.

Also, again, since you seem to missed out on Two Steps post I will quote it:

Two step wrote:


Uh, alternates weren't eliminated until CSM 7, when I was the secretary, not Trebor. So it sounds like your beef is with me, and I will freely admit to not caring about updating the wiki.


Man, it's a good thing that evil Two Step isn't running again. If he didn't update the wiki, how can we trust him to to **** livestock while in Iceland and not to sell CCP out to EA.

You have no point. Go sit the F down.

OK so we will ignore the fact that you have no idea that the change to CSM 7 occurred before CSM 7 took office.

How about his performance as vice-chairman? How would you care to explain away the constant broken prosises over town halls? And the fact that some questions took weeks to answer in this very forum? So please explain away the lack of communication by the proven performer.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#413 - 2013-03-31 17:03:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Tcar wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Ok fair enough, can you list what his efforts actually were during CSM 7?


Nope. They were far too numerous.

If he is such a proven performer why can no one actually list his achievements? Other than of course, suggestion to remove non-consentual war decs and of course the stupid STV voting system and the destruction of the CSM.

So come on list his proven performance for CSM 7


Oh, look, I had no point, let me throw out a distraction and hope no one notices I am as loud, empty, and hollow as a drum.

Ok, off the top of my head:

POSes & revamping, Black Ops, NPE, V3 & re-skinning of ships, getting CCP to work on the back log, UI fixes. . .

So once again another person, standing up for the proven performer cannot actually list what he has done in CSM 7, maybe I am wrong, can you point me to somewhere that actually shows these were Trebors ideas and not a dev or other CSM members?
As I remember Trevor writing a blog after Two Step called out the rest of the CSM but I definitely don't remember that as Trebors idea.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Friggz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#414 - 2013-03-31 17:10:18 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Ok fair enough, can you list what his efforts actually were during CSM 7?


Nope. They were far too numerous.

If he is such a proven performer why can no one actually list his achievements?


It's sort of a waste of time but I find myself with a few moments extra today waiting for company to arrive so:

Quote:


Accomplishments during CSMs 5-7

As vice-secretary of CSM 5, secretary of CSM 6, and vice-chairman of CSM 7, I was a primary author and/or editor of almost all CSM Blogs and Summit Reports.

In CSMs 5 and 6, I raised, championed and pushed through significant CSM proposals aimed at benefiting broad groups of EVE players (in particular, User Interface related issues), such as the Removal of Learning Skills, the User Interface - Big Wins, Fan Favorites and Low Hanging Fruit Proposal, the Planetary Interaction Omnibus Proposal, and the Possibly Practical POS Performance Proposal. Elements of many of these proposals have found their way into the game.

I created, developed and managed the concept of Prioritization Crowdsourcing, which was used to poll the players and determine what items on the CSM in-process list should be given the highest priority in negotiations with CCP. When CCP shifted their focus back to Flying-in-Space development in the Fall of 2011, these lists helped determine what got developer time.

Furthermore, I have steadfastly pushed for CCP to deliver on their promise to make CSM a full stakeholder in the development process. I spearheaded the production of CSM 7's Development Strategy document, which influenced the creation of CCP's new development model, and resulted in CSM becoming intimately involved in the Release Planning for new expansions at the earliest stages. Slowly and methodically, I have expanded the ability of the CSM to influence the evolution of the game in directions that reflect the wishes of the community.

I have always made myself available to the community, answering questions via Email and on the forums, and (when appropriate) bringing player concerns direct to interested devs at CCP. I have consistently encouraged CCP devs to reconnect to the EVE community and go directly to players for feedback about game features, and over the last 18 months we've seen this happen more and more.



Endorsements

Kelduum Revaan (CSM7): Trebor has done an incredible amount of work on CSM7 so far, always being the calm voice of reason and devils advocate where appropriate. For that, he's getting all my votes.

Alekseyev Karrde (CSM7): While Trebor and I rarely agree, he is one of the hardest working and most articulate CSM Reps we've ever had. CSM8 will need powerful voices with aggressive agendas to balance out Trebor's persuasive voice of caution, but I fully expect those voices to be there to challenge him. And when Trebor gets a challenge, he tends to rise above it and bring the CSM along for the ride.

I think it's incredibly important that there be some continuity between CSM7 and CSM8, so I am glad to see Trebor take the bullet for the community and run once more.

Issler Dainze (CSM7): Look, just re-elect him already! Best ever CSM member for sure!

Two step (CSM7): Trebor is thoughtful, thorough and hard working. Not having him on CSM8 would be a terrible thing for the community, and I fully support him. If my vote wasn't going to a wormhole candidate, he would have all my votes.

Elise Randolph (CSM7): What can I say about Trebor that hasn't already been said before? I was honestly relieved when I saw that he decided to run again, because he will be without a doubt the CSMs most valuable asset. Trebor is an incredibly hard worker, pragmatic, knowledgeable, and very passionate about the position. He has an uncanny ability to both inspire and motivate those around him. Amazingly, his drive has only gotten stronger since I've been around on the CSM (since CSM 6).

I do not say this lightly: a CSM without Trebor would be at a massive disadvantage.

Hans Jagerblitzen (CSM7): If you want maximum value for your vote, Trebor's your man. No one else has proven their value to this institution over the years more than he. Trebor Daehdoow brings to the CSM wisdom, experience, and the temperament to keep composure through stressful times and helps keep the group focused on the prize at all times (forward progress with CCP). He is not swayed by the public pressure to produce spectacles, and he knows both when to take action and when to use diplomacy instead. He is respected by CCP and his advice is listened to.

Trebor will provide the much-needed continuity between the work we've accomplished this year and that which CSM8 will accomplish, especially with regards to the Stakeholder project, which absolutely must continue for the sake of preserving the voice of every player.

I will be giving Trebor one of my votes, and I hope you all will as well!

Malcanis: Trebor has proved his commitment and value to the CSM beyond all doubt. I'm running myself this year, but I also very much want Trebor to get a seat because we will need him on CSM8 for his insitutional knowledge and experience. Give Trebor (some of) your votes!

Jester / Ripard Teg: Trebor will definitely be receiving one of my six endorsements this year. As I've said several times on this blog (most recently here), he's a proven CSM work-horse, has an important perspective on the game, provides needed continuity and experience from the past three CSMs, and will be critical in helping to formulate both CSM8's communications strategy and how this whole stake-holder thing is going to work. Here's to hoping he'll be re-elected!

Seleene (CSM7 Chairman): While there will be some quality cand

Charater Limit.
Friggz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#415 - 2013-03-31 17:12:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Friggz
New post because listing Trebor's endorsements and accomplishes is more than I can do in a single post due to character limit.

Now this is where Frying moves the goal posts. Now that I've listed some of what Trebor has accomplished he'll say this does not count and demand I list more.

And he'll just keep doing and doing that and doing that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

This is why most of us haven't bothered to respond in the first place.
Frying Doom
#416 - 2013-03-31 17:18:20 UTC
Friggz wrote:
New post because listing Trebor's endorsements and accomplishes is more than I can do in a single post due to character limit.

Now this is where Frying moves the goal posts. Now that I've listed some of what Trebor has accomplished he'll say this does not count and demand I list more.

And he'll just keep doing and doing that and doing that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

This is why most of us haven't bothered to respond in the first place.

No what I actually asked is what he specifically did in CSM 7, as I know he did work in CSM 5 and 6 excluding the secretary stuff.

As I said what he did in CSM 7 and links to where it said he actually did these things and not just what some dev or other member of the CSM actually did.

And the other thing I brought up was the lack of communication by CSM 7, and how you explain the broken promises on the town halls excetra.

But I did notice you trying to dodge the actual question, have you considered politics?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Friggz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#417 - 2013-03-31 17:27:11 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Friggz wrote:
New post because listing Trebor's endorsements and accomplishes is more than I can do in a single post due to character limit.

Now this is where Frying moves the goal posts. Now that I've listed some of what Trebor has accomplished he'll say this does not count and demand I list more.

And he'll just keep doing and doing that and doing that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

This is why most of us haven't bothered to respond in the first place.

No what I actually asked is what he specifically did in CSM 7, as I know he did work in CSM 5 and 6 excluding the secretary stuff.

As I said what he did in CSM 7 and links to where it said he actually did these things and not just what some dev or other member of the CSM actually did.

And the other thing I brought up was the lack of communication by CSM 7, and how you explain the broken promises on the town halls excetra.

But I did notice you trying to dodge the actual question, have you considered politics?



See, not good enough. No. Now you want links to actual sources where he did these things. Let's push those goal posts.

Don't you think of Trebor did nothing during the CSM and just took credit for what others did, one of the other CSM members would have called him out on it, instead of them almost universally endorsing him?

But wait, I'm sure you have an explanation for that. Didn't you say before everyone endorsed him because they all speak English? March, goalposts, March!

You want proof of something, but you get to decide to discard any proof you don't like based on any random whim you happen to have. Then you say we have no proof.

It's getting old.
Tcar
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#418 - 2013-03-31 17:30:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tcar
Frying Doom wrote:

OK so we will ignore the fact that you have no idea that the change to CSM 7 occurred before CSM 7 took office.

How about his performance as vice-chairman? How would you care to explain away the constant broken prosises over town halls? And the fact that some questions took weeks to answer in this very forum? So please explain away the lack of communication by the proven performer.


OK, Two step says, "Hey, my bad. I take responsibility for that," and you ignore it, beating your hollow drum. You are awesome, sir. +1 internets for dedication the troll.

Since Friggs has collected ample evidence of Trebor's overwhelming competency and qualification for the CSM, please what promises were broken? Did anyone promise you a sparkle pony or mustache ride? Can you put them in bullet points? Or are you going to maunder on with specious arguments and broken rhetoric?

Oh, and God forbid a man with a business, family, and responsibilities as stakeholder in the upcoming expansion not answer your forums posts in an expedient manner and to your specifications. What a looser that Trebor is, not to wait with baited breath at the keyboard to be in constant contact with Frying Doom, a forum alt that hasn't had a kill or loss since July 2012.

Frizz and I have to testicular fortitude to post with our f-ing mains. Post with yours. I dare you.
Frying Doom
#419 - 2013-03-31 17:38:35 UTC
Friggz wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Friggz wrote:
New post because listing Trebor's endorsements and accomplishes is more than I can do in a single post due to character limit.

Now this is where Frying moves the goal posts. Now that I've listed some of what Trebor has accomplished he'll say this does not count and demand I list more.

And he'll just keep doing and doing that and doing that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

This is why most of us haven't bothered to respond in the first place.

No what I actually asked is what he specifically did in CSM 7, as I know he did work in CSM 5 and 6 excluding the secretary stuff.

As I said what he did in CSM 7 and links to where it said he actually did these things and not just what some dev or other member of the CSM actually did.

And the other thing I brought up was the lack of communication by CSM 7, and how you explain the broken promises on the town halls excetra.

But I did notice you trying to dodge the actual question, have you considered politics?



See, not good enough. No. Now you want links to actual sources where he did these things. Let's push those goal posts.

Don't you think of Trebor did nothing during the CSM and just took credit for what others did, one of the other CSM members would have called him out on it, instead of them almost universally endorsing him?

But wait, I'm sure you have an explanation for that. Didn't you say before everyone endorsed him because they all speak English? March, goalposts, March!

You want proof of something, but you get to decide to discard any proof you don't like based on any random whim you happen to have. Then you say we have no proof.

It's getting old.

So in another words you can claim he came up with a couple of things, of which one he definitely did not. And you cannot show that you just named the work of other people as his.

All I ask is actual proof, not comments of others saying vote for him.

I know him talking about the removal of non-consentual war decs is in the minutes, I can point to work that is his and say there it is. All I ask is the same standard for all the wonderful things you CLIM he is responsible for. After all he calls himself the proven performer and that is all I would like to see is proof, not one dodge after another, on anything other than bland campaign endorsements and generic statements covering his whole CSM carrier.


And have you at any stage covered his failings in communication while vice-chairman.

So how about answers rather than dodges?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Hatori Agrue
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#420 - 2013-03-31 17:45:13 UTC
-pssst-

Obvious poetic is obvious.

He is taking you for a ride.