Missions & Complexes

Yeah, allowing a Vexor to find PvE sites as easily as an Imicus is total WOW-ification of EVE. What was I thinking.

-You don't really need a ton of skills.
-deadpsace gates are already capable of distinguishing a ship from its t2 variants, so keeping t3's out of highsec explo wouldn't really be difficult to implement.
-if the tengu skipped all the rats and got the loot, then why weren't you doing the same before he got there? gila should have no trouble tanking rats to blitz the loot. you can always stick around and clear the rats after if you want.
-variations in things being blitzable or not blitzable is a feature of complexes and missions. this isn't a bad thing, and changing it would have 0 impact on any of the issues currently facing explo. Hisec sites would take a few minutes longer, and most importantly it would lower the chance of the first person to find the plex actually getting the loot. I'm not particularly opposed to making the 4/10 specifically less blitzable, but again, I don't see it making a difference.

I've seen plenty of Gilas and Ishtars blitzing 4/10s. Tech 3s will never be banned from high-sec.

If you put the same amount of SP had in a well skilled BC you get more for your training to have a tengu/tar/gila (as far as 4/10's go). That simply means you need large amount more sp in bc just to get on par with those cruiser hulls. Even then, most bc still need faction mods to do a real blitz. Those cruiser hulls can easily do it with t2.. hell.. probably just meta with good enough sp level.

I know nobody gives a flying **** about that.. since you are all using such ships and are blinded by your own greed to get the lootz to give a **** about game balance (and sp spent). Maybe ccp will see some sence and restrict the 4/10s to the hull size it was actualy intended for.

Then they'll just make one man corps, that they'll drop out of at the first hint of being wardecced.

Why? Competition. If you make a career out of exploring.. others with the same career path should have the option to come after you.. or atleast hire mercs to gun you down. If you want to play like a kiddie and be protected by some virtual papa-bear Concord.. you should be treated like one, and only get the kiddie sandbox.


While I agree with making them harder... if you're going to require sites to need 2 or more ships, all this means is that people are going to dual box and bring in ship #2 when needed.


Definitely agree with that


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I don't think changing high-sec exploration to make it more like low-sec exploration is such a good idea. I mean look how well that's working out for low-sec compared to high-sec. And forcing carebears to PvP doesn't work, look what happened when mission agents gave out L4s in low-sec? People will rather just log off and play something else than risk being forced into fights they have no chance of winning.

It's the prime pvp platform?... to who?.

Gate camps are often T2-T3 or bs smart bombers.

99% of low sec roams I escaped were all t1 cruiser hulls.

RVB is heavily dominated with frigate/cruiser battles.. and so is FW as far as iv'e read (if you can get a fight).

I don't know for fact, but a lot of WH talk has always mentioned the likes of stealth bombers, T3-T2 cruiser hulls (and ofc t2 bc hulls). Other than that all else i read is the sub cap take over efforts. The bc's can't even run anoms properly in c3+.

Nul sec last i checked has a a good mix of all ships.


But sure, defend your T3.

I'm hoping against hope you are not banging on about tier 3 here. Completely out of context.

I believe I said it before, but I'll say it again. Stop whining about all the big bad T3s and start training for them. Will take you all of about 2 months to fly one effectively. The only real problem I see here is that someone took the time to train for a T3 so they could run exploration sites faster, and some didn't. The ones who didn't are whining and wanting a nerf. Get over yourselves.

If T3s are too powerful for their investment then they should be nerfed or have their skill requirements raised, not locked out of 1/3 of the game.

By the way, bringing a totally new alt with no remap or implants into EVEMon, it looks like it would take...

4 days and 19 hours to be able to be able to sit in a Drake.
72 days and 21 hours to be able to sit in a Tengu.

46 days and 14 hours to get BC 5
142 days and 13 hours to get Caldari Strategic Cruiser and all its subsystems to 5

The Tengu also has that wonderful skill loss upon explosion feature. It costs a little more too.

If T3s were banned from hisec sites I still wouldn't use a BC because BCs are too slooooow.

Fact remains that it will take a new pilot quite a bit longer to even begin working with a T3 compared to a BC. They can fly BCs effectively in hisec PvE before they have achieved T2 weapons/drones/whatever. Its not optimal compared to T2 fit BC. Its not optimal compared to T3. Of course not. Its T1 vs T3. Meta BC -> T2 fit BC -> faction fit T3 is the pretty standard progression path by now. I would certainly hope a T3 ship is more efficient than a T1 ship. Its like saying battlecruisers are better than cruisers at 4/10s so battlecruisers should be banned from them. Ban T1 cruisers from 3/10 as well then, since all you need is a frigate.

The X5 vs X6 training time is offest not only by support skills but also the subsystem skills. And yeah, people do lose T3s in hisec believe it or not. I don't know how, but they do.

I fly a Loki by the way. It spanks Tengus in Angel sites. But it seems a little slower against Guristas. I will probably train Tengu as well to be more efficient there. Or an Ishtar. Or both. I started with the Hurricane, and have BC5 trained.

Let me try my best to explain this perspective I have...

Something I am guilty of, and I am sure many others.. is that while I am wandering around doing whatever I need to do in highsec with my trading/indy toon, which sometimes equate to keeping myself entertained when other toon's situations are boring.. I'll encounter plenty of new people. I can be a very helpful person. I want people to enjoy the game as much as I do.. I'm not ruthless, reguardless of my activities on other toons being less than upstanding. I'll offer advice, pointers.. jack of all trades, master of none really. Plenty of experince to share. But.. I can be short, quick with some people. I might simply say, for example, "Don't go to lowsec, you'll die swiftly...". I might not have the time to delve further.. while trying to be nice to some greenhorn.

Also.. there are plenty of weekend warrior wannabes running around highsec. I swear.. there is more diabolic trash talk in highsec than anywhere else. No joke.. the maturity level outside of highsec jumps leaps and bounds (altho my experinces in w-space have been.. colorful too...).

Both of the top two examples are going to have an effect on the new blood that comes in. Sure.. there are plenty of people that truly do want to limit their PvP experince to as close to zero as possible. That falls on them to do so, tho. But in my eyes.. there are many people that want to go further, but their intially impressions have them too frightened to do so. For lack of a better word atm, I'm using 'frightened'. They are just growing up in a new world.. like a kid. Some words and events are going to impact 'kids' growing up in a new world more strongly than others. (Walking Dead anyone? Think Carl...)

You can't simply dump people into combat situations that they can actually control and manipulate right off the bat, and believe they can handle it.. like hitting 'jump' at a lowsec gate first time. There needs to be a learning curve of sorts to help ease people into it. 15m Suspect flag is hardly a big deal.. and it is quite easy to handle. Another thing I am guilty of.. is using yellow flag on myself to bait people into their death, a wolf in sheep's clothing. Others can learn how to do that too.. they can experince the adrenline rush of having crosshairs on your face with the yellow flag.. they can get attacked, and fight back rather than be simply ganked face.. they can make dashing exciting escapes.. all these explorers experincing the 15m yellow suspect and that rush. Like Indiana Jones running out with the statue.

The point this leads to.. is it can push people into realizing.. hey, you know what, this ain't so bad. I can manage this. I bet if I focus.. I can handle lowsec too. Along with the other changes I mentioned helping low/null explorers.. it'll more properly 'buff' non-high. And what I mean by buffing.. is get more people into it. Stronger, more skilled people that will have the tools to compete. I strongly dislike some people's thinking that you need to buff low by forcing people that aren't ready for it out into it. Rish/reward works both ways.. pve, pvp.. it doesn't matter. It should Not be pushing cattle to the slaughter.. that does not create staying power. It does Not promote growth in population.

Rather than letting people believe they are entitled to emnity because they exist.. they should really be believing that they are entitled to stand up for themselves and take charge of their own situation and handle it. Tired of the rl world, and the majority of games cuddling society into being socialist, prancy, unicorn riding panzies.

Now.. does my ideas, my reason of thinking make sense.. hmmm?

And about your point to NPC corp idea. They can dec-dodge all they want. That is going to equate to time spent unable to do higher sites while waiting timers. It is going to cause frustration.. to the point they might stop exploring. So what? If they can't handle it.. if they can't fight for what they want.. they do Not deserve it. It will cause an impact, a positive EVE-like impact.. dec-dodging or not.