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Densities of some items ...

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Albert Wittmann
#1 - 2011-10-30 20:17:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Albert Wittmann
Hello Community,

i have some question to the container (General Freight Container, Ships etc.)

General Freight Container

Mass: 1.000.000 kg
Volume: 120.000 m³

Volume are inner volume and outer volume, i can put in this thing 120.000 m³ and the container itself need 120.000 m³ ... so how thick is the hull? Big smile

Hmm, let say, the hull is only 0,5 mm thick ... and the container is a cube ...

120.000 m³ radix = 49,324241486609402029832226463092 m (outer hull)
49,321941486609402029832226463092 m (inner volume) = 119.983,21390525576280798089050523 m³

120.000 m³ - 119983,21390525576280798089050523 m³ = 16,7860947442371920191094948 m³, if we press the hull of the container to a compact cube ...

p= 1.000.000 kg / 16,7860947442371920191094948 m³ = 59.573,117823805232532811433058791 kg/m³

Which material have so a high density? Osmium reach only 22.610 kg/m³.

Ah, yeah, the list of the density of some materials, look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density#Densities_of_various_materials

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Ok, lets fold some ships ... hmm, lets pack the drake ... i think, they can fold this ships to a cube without airholes in ...

Drake
Mass: 14.010.000,00 kg
Volume (packed): 15.000 m³

So we have a density of 934 kg/m³ ... uuh, do the Caldari use plastics for their shiphulls?

Hmm, lets try the Typhoon ...

Typhoon
Mass: 103.600.000 kg
Volume (packed): 50.000 m³

Density of 2.072 kg/m³ ... its near silicon ... eeh ...

Try a big ship like a carrier, hmm, lets try the thanatos ...

Thanatos
Mass: 1.163.250.000 kg
Volume (packed): 1.000.000 m³

Density at 1.163,25 kg/m³ ... aw, come on CCP ... its between water and glycerol ... made of styling gel?

Ok, last try, lets try a real item, what we have on the earth too, lets take plutonium ...

Plutonium
Mass: 2.000 kg
Volume: 1 m³

Density of 2.000 kg/m³ WTF CCP?! Its between beryllium and silicon ... our plutonium have 19.840 kg/m³ ... so a cube of 1 m³ must have a weight of 19.840 kg. Btw, if we put more as 5 kg plutonium to a cube/sphere it will hit the critical mass ... that mean, your freightroom will be a mobile chernobyl/fukushima/ nuclear power plant ...

Please CCP, have an eye on masses and volumes ...
Jita Alt666
#2 - 2011-10-30 20:24:04 UTC
Another thread about the disconnect between Eve Online attributes and those in real life.

If Eve Online developers followed pure known and accepted physics rules we would be driving internet cars on a map of a planet with dimensions and properties very similar to Earth.
Venus Vermillion
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-10-30 20:26:04 UTC
Eve is Real.
gfldex
#4 - 2011-10-30 20:28:35 UTC
Albert Wittmann wrote:
Btw, if we put more as 5 kg plutonium to a cube/sphere it will hit the critical mass


It's pure PU244. Got a fairly save halve life time of 80*10E6 years. Anything else is just made from dark matter. (If astro physics can use this standard excuse, why cant we?)

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
toxicvega
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-30 20:38:35 UTC
Albert Wittmann wrote:


Words...
Alot of ******* math...
Most of it I don't understand.



The real question is, have you been laid recently?
Bane Loppknow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-10-30 20:44:54 UTC
Space folding.
Albert Wittmann
#7 - 2011-10-30 20:46:23 UTC
toxicvega wrote:
Albert Wittmann wrote:


Words...
Alot of ******* math...
Most of it I don't understand.



The real question is, have you been laid recently?


29. October 2011, around 22 clock, dont sure, was after a nice movie on tv ...
Albert Wittmann
#8 - 2011-10-30 20:46:45 UTC
Doublepost ...
Prince Kobol
#9 - 2011-10-30 20:53:28 UTC
OP has far far far too much time on his hands.

I would suggest you put the mouse down, head towards the the large rectangle object called a Door and exit into the real world.
Albert Wittmann
#10 - 2011-10-30 20:59:37 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
OP has far far far too much time on his hands.

I would suggest you put the mouse down, head towards the the large rectangle object called a Door and exit into the real world.


Its too late now, 10 pm here now and i must work tomorrow, have to get up at 5:30 am ...
Hexus Draidin
Intersteller Masons
#11 - 2011-10-30 21:04:51 UTC
toxicvega wrote:
Albert Wittmann wrote:


Words...
Alot of ******* math...
Most of it I don't understand.



The real question is, have you been laid recently?


Of course he has. Science is sexy.

Thanks for running the calculations, OP. While it is a game and whatnot, it's fascinating that attention to detail was missed in this particular area. This was a fun read :)

I'm So Meta, Even This Acronym 
Demon View
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-10-30 21:19:43 UTC
Albert Wittmann wrote:
Ok, lets fold some ships ... hmm, lets pack the drake ... i think, they can fold this ships to a cube without airholes in ...

(snip)

Hmm, lets try the Typhoon ...

Typhoon
Mass: 103.600.000 kg
Volume (packed): 50.000 m³

Density of 2.072 kg/m³ ... its near silicon ... eeh ...


I've seen this one. When they repackage Minmatar vessels, they actually replace large parts of it with new and shiny metals, recycling out the old components. The packages then contain plenty of oxygen and trace chemicals so that the unpackaged ship can have the intended appearance.

Quote:
Plutonium
Mass: 2.000 kg
Volume: 1 m³

[quote]Density of 2.000 kg/m³ WTF CCP?! Its between beryllium and silicon ... our plutonium have 19.840 kg/m³ ... so a cube of 1 m³ must have a weight of 19.840 kg. Btw, if we put more as 5 kg plutonium to a cube/sphere it will hit the critical mass ... that mean, your freightroom will be a mobile chernobyl/fukushima/ nuclear power plant ...


Huh? You express confusion about why packages of plutonium don't have the density of plutonium and then in the same breath explain why they can't be permitted to have that density!
Cypermethren
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-30 21:25:47 UTC
you think that's bad?

Go check out a frozen corpse's weight and size.



We are all MASSIVELY overweight, and need treadmills built into our pods.
Albert Wittmann
#14 - 2011-10-31 07:46:28 UTC
Cypermethren wrote:
you think that's bad?

Go check out a frozen corpse's weight and size.

We are all MASSIVELY overweight, and need treadmills built into our pods.


Weight and size are right, when you use this sovjet err minmatar-made implants ... mean, they have all a volume of 1,0 m³ ...
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-31 07:51:54 UTC
Albert Wittmann wrote:
Thanatos
Mass: 1.163.250.000 kg
Volume (packed): 1.000.000 m³

Density at 1.163,25 kg/m³ ... aw, come on CCP ... its between water and glycerol ... made of styling gel?
My favourite part. Styling gel. LOL.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#16 - 2011-10-31 08:45:49 UTC
EvE is Real.

That's missing one vital word.

Eve is Real Imagination.

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Aldan Romar
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-10-31 09:54:26 UTC
Better to not bring physics to Eve.

It won't compute.
Vyl Vit
#18 - 2011-10-31 09:55:28 UTC
Oh. We're not discussing the density of someone who'd crunch the numbers in such minutia about a thing of such insignificance it barely merited the expenditure of electricity to do? My bad.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Ur235
Appetite 4 Destruction
#19 - 2011-10-31 09:59:31 UTC
While I applaud you for your physics math remember Eve is a game and it probably would not work if everything was based on reality

hmm
Demon View
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-10-31 10:04:34 UTC
ITT: people say LOL IT A GAME U R A DORK, over and over again, even though this was already adequately conveyed by post #2.
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