Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Not so big on the understanding then. Since you can't read between the lines, wikipedia has broken it down for you.


". . . a total of 2880 POWER7 processor cores and 16 Terabytes of RAM. Each Power 750 server uses a 3.5 GHz POWER7 eight core processor, with four threads per core. The POWER7 processor's massively parallel processing capability is an ideal match for Watson's IBM DeepQA software which is embarrassingly parallel (that is a workload that is easily split up into multiple parallel tasks).[15]"

"Watson's software was written in various languages, including Java, C++, and Prolog, and uses Apache Hadoop framework for distributed computing, Apache UIMA (Unstructured Information Management Architecture) framework, IBM’s DeepQA software and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 11 operating system.[8][19][20] “[...] more than 100 different techniques are used to analyze natural language, identify sources, find and generate hypotheses, find and score evidence, and merge and rank hypotheses.” [21]"


I've taken the liberty of highlighting the important bits, as you've already demonstrated the ability to overlook them. Or did it just never occur to you that processing power is used for.... you know... software?

I'm not responsible for you being able to only click on literally the first google result.

Proving either A or B will result in negative consequences given CCP's policies.

2-3 years ago there was a group that utilized a rudimentary scanning bot on SISI. In its rudimentary form a person could do things faster and it was not able to grab all sites, but it was good enough to figure some stuff out about site behavior. I have no idea if it was ever refined nor do I know if it was ever used ingame.....but it was my impression that the people responsible were not UBERprogrammers. Infer from that what you wish.


IMO: IF CCP was going to move all belts to scanned sites they would have to be very careful in regards to a few key areas:

Site size
Probability Distribution of Site locations (ie "where in space sites spawn")
Probe size necessary for resolution given max skills,imps,bonuses and a range of probe arrangements.

THEN CCP would have to balance that with the need to keep skill reqs low enough so that truely new players don't have to spend even more time training just to find out if they like mining.

Under the current scanning system, I would be surprised if all these things could be balanced without lots of bandwidth. vOv

And as a thought I'd just had whilst talking with a friend in game, could you imagine low-sec belts being grav sites? Pirates would have to sacrifice a module to find you. They'd then have to know where you'll head to after you launch probes - as d-scan shows all probes in the area.

A rather simply safety feature to populate low-sec.

I truly mean its possible to program a bot to scan with probes. I live in W-space so I do alot of scanning. I know what it takes.

I think the depletion issue can be handled in several ways.

Yes have more grav sites and stock them with a wider variety of ore. Just leave the static belts for the new players and the casual miner.

Have the static belt roids respawn over the entire day rather than just down time.

Have mission belts persist after the mission is turned in, just like wrecks do.

When you manipulate your probes to scan for a site and get them in range at 20% for example, you need to narrow down the field which will often involve changing the view-able area of your screen to gain a greater understanding of where to position your probe to gain greater strength.

Given a BOT can only "SEE" an X and Y (Horizontal and vertical axis), attempting to manipulate the probes to get them at a higher strength would involve moving each probe, one at a time, along each of the axis attempting to get a hit within the Red Rings - which as you know is dynamic at all times - and calculating the position required for each of the Probes.

Now whilst I'll be the first to admit, emulating mouse and keyboard movements can be done; the simple fact remains that automating the 'red ring' find functions, really isn't that possible. A bot can 'SEE' the bubbles of the probe. It can 'SEE' the red rings but how do you tell it to put all of the probes in a patter to create an overlap that will cover the red ring? Not possible.

Factor in 4 probes required, likelihood due to error and the inability for what's "SEEN" by the bot to grasp where the location might be and you're back at needing a hook into the eve client to figure it all out.

Otherwise I like the respawn points except the last one. Pretty sure CCP removed decent roids from Missions because we were all farming them like mad XD 4 missions at once could turn a really good profit, even before orca's XD

This is something I have kind of believed should be standard for almost everything in eve. I personally don't see why you cant make everything to where you have to scan down it anything save for stations, as it would be assumed that a station would have enough power to run a beacon that could reach system wide. Planets, asteroid belts, moons, mission sites, everything. If you were in space you would technically have to triangulate and plot a course to anything smaller than a sun so I don't see any reason why everything but stations should not be required to be scanned down before you can make the warp to it. Making asteroid belts smaller and then respawn them at random locations requiring them to be scanned down is a great idea, it would not only help to handle the bot problem but it would also add to the atmosphere of the game.

I support this idea overall.

My personal likings for it go like this:

Removal of both rock and ice belts to be compensated for by more common Gravmetric finds of standard ores and ice (both respective of the empire). The individual sites do not have to be large, but the site counts should be plentiful (and spawn throughout the day as some of us like to sleep when DT is occurring). The current Gav sites will continue to exist with their current probabilities to find.

It will only get rid of botters in the sense they will have to work harder to find rocks and they won't be able to clear out a system within 4 hours of DT occurring making it possible for players to come in before DT and possibly find something in a system they could not find rocks in before.

Oh... and Ice rocks would have to pop.

Love it. Want it. Immediately.

Increase the number and amount of sites. Give them roughly what a belt would have. Make some hard-to-reach sites with a few out of place ores in them (cause missions already do this, no?).

Especially, move ice into this category. Leave the regular belts, though. Nothing but veldspar.

A suggestion I put forth about 3 and a half years ago was a bit different, based more on how space mining worked in SWG.

The more you mine, the more "noise" you make, the more rats it attracts - a top end mining ship would find itself in scramble mode from mining at top performance and more than 1 such ship could easily be destroyed by the swarms of rats they'd summon. Rats don't spawn at all without mining. It's the mining that attracts them and they keep coming the more "noise" you make blasting chunks off of asteroids.

Either tone it back or bring escorts to deal with the rats and escorts would be kept very busy by a decently skilled mining ship. (let's see you "rat your sec status up" if it requires mining ships to get rats to the belts. - fit a mining laser? ...)

So you take a fleet of mining ships out with an orca and go high-speed. You'd best bring an escort group that watches you and rats the area while you do that but getting an escort shouldn't be too hard being as that's the primary attraction for rats.

This avoids the only task in the game more boring than shooting rocks with lasers - watching someone shoot rocks with lasers. Instead they'd spend their time running around popping and looting rats and 4 exhumers with a fleet bosting orca could keep a couple or so combat pilots very busy just clearing the rats out.

Such a method would also gut multi-box style botting and high-yield mining being as they'd pull so much ore so quickly, the rats would destroy their mining fleet if it didn't have enough of a protective escort.

The idea wasn't so much to mess with botters and miners. It was more to find a way to encourage combat pilots to seek out miners and defend them. Not by forcing players to defend other players but to encourage it with a higher potential income stream than they could get doing missions - keep the miners safe = profits from ratting.

With swarms of NPC's coming in, that's a solid income source across all areas of space and having a sufficient escort for a gang of miners makes mining in low and null far more doable than these days with the combat type pilots off doing missions or such while miners are off doing their own thing.

Again, not by forcing players to go along but by providing a different income stream that grows as you guard more miners. They get popped, there goes the rats because rats don't spawn at all -- only when miners are mining.

Just picture it in local "anyone miners need an escort right now?" -- now that would be a question few, if anyone, in EVE has probably heard and one that most vets would probably smile at in the future - especially if that local were lowsec with a ganker needing their sec status brought back up quickly... A ganker guarding miners. One hell of a twisted situation but quite possible if the need is there.