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Loki worth it for an old boy character?
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Destructor1792
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-03-29 09:35:58 UTC
Good Morning / Afternoon / Evening,

I've had the skills in place for a quite some time to be able to jump into a loki - question is, are they worth it for someone of my characters age and variety in what I can already pilot?

I'm mainly looking to do a bit of exploring in WH's, kill a few rats along the way, maybe the odd daft pilot who crosses my path Twisted

I'm using pyfa to browse for potential fits but so far nearly all are quite a bit on the "meh" side when it comes to laying down some dps but also being on the sneaky side!

I know that by trying to get a fit that is quite varied (or should I say flexible), certain sacrifices need to be made!

So my question is this: Is it worth me jumping into one or looking around for something which may suit my needs better?


Thanks in advance for any replies.



Not fired a shot in anger since 2011.... Trigger finger is starting to get somewhat itchy.......
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2013-03-29 11:51:31 UTC
When you plonk away at them sleepere, or stalk that PI hauler, you are not alone. They are watching you. They know who you are and where you came from. They know your next move. They smell the fresh, sweet and innocent k-space in you. Remember that Cheetah that flashed briefly on scan an hour ago?

That's when you died. You didn't realize it then, but they knew. Rest of the time they just lied in the shadows, licking their lips, eyes gleaming, letting you lull yourself into a false sense of security.

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Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#3 - 2013-03-29 15:18:11 UTC
Vague threats aside: T3s are as versatile as it gets. I've got a Loki roaming lowsec that has just enough gear in its hold to convert to a salvager, or a tackler, or improve DPS, or get more uncatchable, etc. If you want to be nigh impossible to catch, your DPS is going to suffer. They designed it that way. But, you can carry a whole damn subsystem with you if you want, and switch out for a higher DPS build in station. All the usual questions apply:

  • Can you afford to lose it?
  • Are you ready to fly it into dangerous territory? (pilot-wise, not skill-wise)

There's not a lot of better options if you want to be sneaky, durable, and versatile.
Destructor1792
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-03-29 16:02:37 UTC
Ohh. his comment was a vague threat? I read it and thought "noob - that has nothing to do with what I asked - Go troll elsewhere" RollLol

Anyhows, back on topic..

DPS still concerns me alot with what I want to use this ship for. If I'm faffing about in a WH (already found quite a few potential targets). the ability to hot swap the subsystems will not be there!

Guess for low & null sec jaunts, this a viable option for when docking allows.

From a lot of research I've done & playing on Sisi, does seem the Loki is very restrictive on potential targets I can engage! Though I have been known to throw caution to the wind and just say "What the hell.. Fire at will" P

Not fired a shot in anger since 2011.... Trigger finger is starting to get somewhat itchy.......
Ginger Barbarella
#5 - 2013-03-29 16:19:11 UTC
Loki is a fun ship, within (what I see as) a limited range of uses. It's a decent low-sec exporer (but attracts attention), a good low/null booster, and fun to run L3's and the occassional L4 in. But it's not a go-to ship of mine. For low/null exploration I use a Pilgrim or Curse (depending upon mood), for ratting I tend to use a Nighthawk, and tend to use a range of ships for missioning L4's like Tengu (rarely these days), Nighthawk, or Sleipnir. I have a nice stable of ships, but those are the ones I use when I have something I want to get done. In WH space I use almost exclusively a Tengu or Hurricane.

For high sec activities I just use whatever I feel like flying in whatever space I'm in on that toon.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#6 - 2013-03-29 16:58:57 UTC
I used all covert T3s except Legion for low-sec solo roaming for a while. And my conclusion is this,

Covert T3 for low sec solo work is only for bullying soft targets in risk-free manner.

With exception of Proteus, there aren't many ships that cloaky Loki or Tengu can take out which you can't do in a recon like Rapier. TD Rapier with dual web will handle almost anything BC sized and below except Drakes and it's got drones.

Cloaky Proteus can handle wider range of targets, but once you're blasting away in scram range it's not risk-free anymore.

I know you're specifically looking for using Loki in WH, but it's just my two cents on cloaky T3 solo work. I guess Loki's higher buffer would be useful when sleepers switch agro, but WH work requires a scout/probing alt and at that point you're really looking at duo combinations which can be pretty much anything.

So to summarise, if you're doing it completely solo with no alts involved, then WH is probably not a good place and if you're in low/null sec then most of the time Rapier can do the job of a cloaky Loki.
loki energon
Anasazi Wanderratter's Social Club
#7 - 2013-03-30 02:25:21 UTC
i fly a loki in W space, i fly several ships in W, everyone of them has a cloak. i find the cloaky subsystem useful in many situations, but if you spend any time in a WH, you know how to balance your safe BMs and your cloak timer. so, if it was me, id make the gankiest loki i could, and slap a cloak in that utility high. if it was me.....

kill em all.
Zarnous
Eternal Life of Chaos Inc
#8 - 2013-03-30 04:42:05 UTC
Destructor1792 wrote:
Ohh. his comment was a vague threat? I read it and thought "noob - that has nothing to do with what I asked - Go troll elsewhere" RollLol


Whatever man. That was so beautiful it brought a tear to my eye.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#9 - 2013-03-30 11:19:22 UTC
Here is the one thing that the loki does better than any other ship:

Combines a tiny sig radius with good speed and tracking. Prozacxx or whatever his name is came up with a good fit. Here's a slight variant i have:

[Loki, LoSec]

Medium Armor Repairer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II

Gist C-Type 100MN Afterburner
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Small Capacitor Booster II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Low-grade Slave Alpha
Low-grade Slave Beta
Low-grade Slave Gamma
Low-grade Slave Delta
Low-grade Slave Epsilon
Low-grade Slave Omega
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-03-30 11:37:33 UTC
Loki is always worth...best cloaker, not even Fozzy saw it...Big smile
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#11 - 2013-03-30 16:00:50 UTC
Not sure why one would not just use that Loki as CCP intended. You know, the offgrid I-win alt booster.

Oh I'm faster and more agile now with the Loki in system. Oh my web and point/scram now have a lot more range than yours. And just a little icing, my sig is less than one would expect.

Yeah, I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. But, it really is, more **** to fix CCP.Blink

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.