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The long reach of James 315's New Order

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Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#121 - 2013-03-29 11:18:37 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Don't think you can defy the law and run away. And James 315 is the law.

A particularly non-compliant miner who has trashtalked the NO on multiple occasions was observed to have moved to Syndicate non-sovereign nullsec.

I took a small fleet of NO supporters out to deliver justice and the purifying flames of Navy Antimatter to the escape capsule.

Whilst this miner escaped and hid in a station for over two hours, I am pleased to report that the NO has now established that it can and will hunt those that defile icefields without a permit to the edges of known space and beyond. They can expect further visits and - just like Empire 315 operations, there will be no warning other than a spike on D-scan before their hull melts away, their capsule is cracked open and their tasty, tasty implants are feasted upon.

I've also applied to join his corp with an AWOX alt.




The moral to this story: Buy your permit.


Why is this even a thread? You chased some miner who smack talked you, bawww'd to the point to where you say some generic mining killer t00n is now "law" (which is equally laughable because in Null and Low there is NO law), and you brag openly about "infiltrating" his corp on an AWOX alt which is pretty stupid making it public on a forum no less.

And don't sit here and say you are purging botters for griefing people who give you the bird. There's a damn report button for a reason. Also looking at his BC I see not ONE relative combat ship kill. All mining hulls. Please.... come back when you stop popping mackinaw's and start doing something useful... Pathetic.



Popping Mackinaws and Orcas is a service to the EVE community. However if you looked at my personal killbard you wil see primarily fights against combat ships, including several solo kills of ships considerably more valuable than I fielded. As well as losses where I've walked right into someone's trap like that damn Astarte in Decon.

But coordinating the removal of the carebear menace from EVE is my important work.


I'm not talking about you Orphan Annie I'm talking about your "law" James who's consecutive kills are mainly mining hulls. Propping up griefing miners (which fine whatever) as a mask to combat "botting" is insulting. And once again you drive players away and out of the game by griefing very new players to Eve which does us all a detriment in the end.


James does plenty of combat ship PVP on other characters. Howw else do you think He learned game mechanics so well?

Obliterating bot aspirant players makes it harder for real bbots to hide. Real miners warp out when D-scan shows Catalysts coming. Actual new players cannot afford mining barges and if ISK is their goal they should be doing PVE and salvaging which is where the money is for destroyer pilots.


Lol the fact we responded seriously to one another makes me smile Lol

Go get those precious tears. Yes... my precious....
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
#122 - 2013-03-29 11:30:07 UTC
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2013-03-29 12:36:28 UTC
Tara Read wrote:

Lol the fact we responded seriously to one another makes me smile Lol

Go get those precious tears. Yes... my precious....


The final laugh comes from CCP. A simple change of mechanics and *poof* your fun is history.

Be careful what tears you maybe crying (and not a single miner will have any empathy). The mining barge changes didn't occur in a vacuum. It came over prolonged attacking Hulks, which effected not only the bottomline, it started to crimp production in all secs.

Anything that interferes with the game as it played will get changed, as it hurts more than it helps.

So I marvel at reading these threads with all the self-importance, simply because mechanics change and can at any time...and more so if pushed.

Keep on pushing.........

Twisted

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#124 - 2013-03-29 18:55:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Mechanics change, and people will adapt, as they have done in the past. The only way CCP can stop operations like the New Order is to change highsec completely, to a non pvp zone, it would have to be non pvp, consensual pvp only guarantees that we'll make it non consensual through trickery and guile.

They'd kill the game off in the process. 10 years of pretty much continual rise in subs says that CCP are doing something right, especially as a niche game, because main-streaming it, would kill it. Eve is not for everyone, and neither should it be, as some one said in another thread, Eve is a contact sport for your brain, it's meant to be hard, dangerous and brutal, it's a game for thinkers and planners, and those that will do anything in the pursuit of power, influence, riches or a huge corpse collection. Morals have no place in Eve, they are a weakness to be exploited.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2013-03-30 00:50:07 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mechanics change, and people will adapt, as they have done in the past. The only way CCP can stop operations like the New Order is to change highsec completely, to a non pvp zone, it would have to be non pvp, consensual pvp only guarantees that we'll make it non consensual through trickery and guile.

They'd kill the game off in the process. 10 years of pretty much continual rise in subs says that CCP are doing something right, especially as a niche game, because main-streaming it, would kill it. Eve is not for everyone, and neither should it be, as some one said in another thread, Eve is a contact sport for your brain, it's meant to be hard, dangerous and brutal, it's a game for thinkers and planners, and those that will do anything in the pursuit of power, influence, riches or a huge corpse collection. Morals have no place in Eve, they are a weakness to be exploited.



The rise in subs is multiboxing for the most part (vets keep adding accounts...and in EvE it's not like WoW where 3 clients = 1 Battle.net account. In EvE every new account is, a new account). With the rise in the use of multibox programs will ensure we'll have 80 accounts mining ice as well (now who pays for 80 accounts again to sit in an icefield 24/7???).

How many actual humans are playing EvE, though?

And this is how and why EvE will become like so many other mainstream MMOs, as folks get settled into the multibox routines to make currency -- and with PLEX to pay for the accounts, more so.

Changes will come to EvE like more PvE elements as it's a cash cow for CCP, and the PvPers have to generate cash to have "free PvP".

I was actually surprised that CCP made can baiting a crime after it being tolerated and part of the EvE culture for so long, James is just continuing that tradition, but rest assured it too is a twilight activity...as what counts isn't some guys treating the game like a locker room, it's $$$$$$$$.

So in the end what rules is the money. Either the "whales" ante more up or attracting more players to fill the till. And usually the latter is what wins out, niche game or not. Businesses don't exist to lose money, afterall.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Umega
Solis Mensa
#126 - 2013-03-30 02:22:33 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mechanics change, and people will adapt, as they have done in the past. The only way CCP can stop operations like the New Order is to change highsec completely, to a non pvp zone, it would have to be non pvp, consensual pvp only guarantees that we'll make it non consensual through trickery and guile.

They'd kill the game off in the process. 10 years of pretty much continual rise in subs says that CCP are doing something right, especially as a niche game, because main-streaming it, would kill it. Eve is not for everyone, and neither should it be, as some one said in another thread, Eve is a contact sport for your brain, it's meant to be hard, dangerous and brutal, it's a game for thinkers and planners, and those that will do anything in the pursuit of power, influence, riches or a huge corpse collection. Morals have no place in Eve, they are a weakness to be exploited.



The rise in subs is multiboxing for the most part (vets keep adding accounts...and in EvE it's not like WoW where 3 clients = 1 Battle.net account. In EvE every new account is, a new account). With the rise in the use of multibox programs will ensure we'll have 80 accounts mining ice as well (now who pays for 80 accounts again to sit in an icefield 24/7???).

How many actual humans are playing EvE, though?

And this is how and why EvE will become like so many other mainstream MMOs, as folks get settled into the multibox routines to make currency -- and with PLEX to pay for the accounts, more so.

Changes will come to EvE like more PvE elements as it's a cash cow for CCP, and the PvPers have to generate cash to have "free PvP".

I was actually surprised that CCP made can baiting a crime after it being tolerated and part of the EvE culture for so long, James is just continuing that tradition, but rest assured it too is a twilight activity...as what counts isn't some guys treating the game like a locker room, it's $$$$$$$$.

So in the end what rules is the money. Either the "whales" ante more up or attracting more players to fill the till. And usually the latter is what wins out, niche game or not. Businesses don't exist to lose money, afterall.


As pictures of me in tinfoil hats do exist..

I am quite curious to hear your explanation on the declining value of PLEX, while the sub base goes up.. and has some rather stable and strong daily numbers since Retribution.

Please, make it about can-flipping somehow. Sprinkle it in some where with your retort, that'll probably have the same coherence of your previous post.. where it's like watching a kid jumping around in a ball-pit, swinging wildly at the other kids while screaming for ice cream. What flavor? That would make me giggle.. and I haven't giggled in so long. Sad

I heard.. each time someone ganks a miner, CCP dumps an additional PLEX onto the market. That would explain it.. yes. It helps inflate their numbers.. while they get to keep both sides of a dellusional mindscape happy. A+ marketing team.. these aren't the numbers you are looking for.

I'm pro-boom!

Money, baby. Money.

rabble rabble rabble

Mint chocolate chip.

Every conspiracy theory you have seen on Youtube is Real.

Your turn.. Now.

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2013-03-30 02:33:55 UTC
Umega wrote:

Mint chocolate chip.


...Moon goo must be poisoning the mind...

Get back to me when detoxed, k?

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#128 - 2013-03-30 03:11:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ace Uoweme wrote:
stuff about how CCP will follow the money


Catering to the masses may well make CCP more money, but it'll be short term, I'm hoping long term is where CCP has set their sights, I'm not against CCP trying to tempt more players, but changing the game to the extent that "belligerent undesirables" can no longer operate in highsec goes against everything that Eve is. They're taming highsec down, for better or for worse, but I don't believe that they'd dare to go the full hog. The Incarna riots and mass unsubs would look like a storm in a teacup compared to the reaction if they tried that, and they know it. There's plenty of players that haven't forgiven them for that debacle, some of them probably still have multiple unsubbed accounts because of it.

They have a very successful niche game, with tens of thousands of players that have put long term time investment into their game play, it's a game that you play for years. Why would CCP want to alienate those people that have put up to 10 years into playing their game just to attract someone who sticks around for 6 months and moves on?

Attracting the shiny/I want to play an MMO solo $$ is fine, but those players don't stick around, they're not interested in the long game, they want a quick fix and an extremely low risk enviroment to get it in, they are not loyal customers. Worse still, some refuse to adapt to the game, instead they want CCP to change the game to suit them. It's advertised as exactly what it is, if people don't do their research on what they're getting themselves into, it's not CCPs problem.

I came into Eve, with no experience of MMOs, it's the only game that's held my attention for coming up on 4 years, without interruption. I did my research, I knew the reputation of the players, I had about 4 trials before I got hooked.
Eve hooked me the day I took on a can flipper, and died, I hated that people could do that to me, but I accepted it, I researched how the mechanic worked, and I adapted. I also dreamt of being the villian, sadly the best I've managed is shiptoaster, so it's a dream that has yet to be realised. 4 years down the line, I can see the value of the lesson I learnt during my trail, ship loss is guaranteed, but it doesn't have to be yours.

TL;DR:
The moment you accept Eve for what it actually is, rather than what you think it is, is the moment it becomes a truly great game.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Umega
Solis Mensa
#129 - 2013-03-30 03:50:48 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Umega wrote:

Mint chocolate chip.


...Moon goo must be poisoning the mind...

Get back to me when detoxed, k?


Let's both mystically believe I am sipping on the sweet juices of moon goo.. that I managed to accumalate mass followers in the past with a battle cry, used my charisma to garnish their admiration, gained the trust of a logistical backbone to then produce an alliance worthy of holding sov space.. all to horde money behind their backs and wield power over ppl, I should then be made fun of?! PURELY based off an assumption predicated by a forum post, that exhibits defiance in a whimsical manner.

Now that is.. intoxicating. I love me a good novel saturated with Envy.

Also looks oddly familiar..

And with that, you must pay me 10 mil to post in my forums. Because you didn't make me giggle, and because I said so.

Don't think I need your respect to **** myself in public, I'll do that if people are looking at me adoringly or not.. doesn't matter to me. k?

If it makes you feel better, that I'm being too cryptic for you to catch.. I'll pretend hulks didn't lose ehp, hybrids werent buffed, 600+ dps cats don't exist, and T2 wrecks don't salvage/loot more money than before. I too can live in a bubble that protects my misguided interests, especially when the outside reality blocks my attempts at grasping onto myself being relevent.

All governments are evil! Them corporations, man.. machines, magically powered by human interests. Huh..

If the Matrix were a rubix cube.. your color would be Green.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#130 - 2013-03-30 04:07:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Umega wrote:
all that stuff

I'm so confused right now P

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Tesal
#131 - 2013-03-30 04:09:11 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Umega wrote:
all that stuff

I'm so confused right now Straight


I'm confused too. Am I supposed to rage against this or not, I'm not sure. But to be on the safe side, we need to blame Goons.
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#132 - 2013-03-30 04:57:45 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Tara Read wrote:

Lol the fact we responded seriously to one another makes me smile Lol

Go get those precious tears. Yes... my precious....


The final laugh comes from CCP. A simple change of mechanics and *poof* your fun is history.



I've played this game for awhile now and seen it all come and go. I'm sure I'll be able to have fun at someone else's expense regardless. Pirate
ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#133 - 2013-03-30 05:46:20 UTC
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Agent Trask
Doomheim
#134 - 2013-04-06 17:13:53 UTC
Tara Read wrote:


I've played this game for awhile now and seen it all come and go. I'm sure I'll be able to have fun at someone else's expense regardless. Pirate


This. ^

No matter what buffs carebears get, some of us will find a way to gank them. EvE is still about non-consensual PvP.

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Otto3d
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#135 - 2013-04-06 18:05:41 UTC
Wait a min... How did the smiley face went from this:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I'm so confused right now P


To this:
Tesal wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I'm so confused right now Straight


????

EVElopedia < add this to your sig to show u WANT it back

Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#136 - 2013-04-06 18:42:52 UTC
Otto3d wrote:
Wait a min... How did the smiley face went from this:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I'm so confused right now Shocked


To this:
Tesal wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I'm so confused right now Oops


????


I don't know.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#137 - 2013-04-06 19:35:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Otto3d wrote:
Wait a min... How did the smiley face went from this:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I'm so confused right now Shocked


To this:
Tesal wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I'm so confused right now Oops


????


I don't know.


That was probably a ninja edit on my part, and the lag between doing the edit and it actually appearing on the forum, nice use of quote modification btw guys Cool

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Sorrowsong Stenier-Tian
Doomheim
#138 - 2013-04-06 19:37:42 UTC
Agent Trask wrote:
Tara Read wrote:


I've played this game for awhile now and seen it all come and go. I'm sure I'll be able to have fun at someone else's expense regardless. Pirate


This. ^

No matter what buffs carebears get, some of us will find a way to gank them. EvE is still about non-consensual PvP.




Pssst!... you -are- a care-bear.
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2013-04-06 21:08:03 UTC
Sorrowsong Stenier-Tian wrote:
Agent Trask wrote:
Tara Read wrote:


I've played this game for awhile now and seen it all come and go. I'm sure I'll be able to have fun at someone else's expense regardless. Pirate


This. ^

No matter what buffs carebears get, some of us will find a way to gank them. EvE is still about non-consensual PvP.




Pssst!... you -are- a care-bear.


ooookkkk...Rewording the argument into Sorrowsong's language:

'No matter what buffs the vicious pvpers, pirates, and nullsec power blocs get, some of us fluffy carebears will find a way to gank them as they fly around in ships with no weapons. Eve is still about non-consensual PvP.'

One would hope that this example demonstrates to you that the names chosen to call things only matters... well, everywhere but EVE. it matters IRL because of :democracy:, and thus this kind of semantical nonsense dominates the airwaves. Since Eve isn't a democracy in any real sense, you can call things whatever you want without having any impact, the facts remain the same. The people with weapons on their ships still have weapons on their ship, the people who don't still don't. you can come up with a new name for weapons too, that won't work either.
Agent Trask
Doomheim
#140 - 2013-04-06 23:55:27 UTC
Sorrowsong Stenier-Tian wrote:



Pssst!... you -are- a care-bear.


A ganking carebear?

How novel!

Do tell me more!

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