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Tracking Enhancers are Getting Nerfed
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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#41 - 2013-03-28 18:36:24 UTC
What does any of what you just said have to do with this discussion? You made the statement that rails without TE would be useless. I posted a fit that projects a good amount of DPS a good distance using Tracking computers. 500 DPS at 23 km for a tech one Cruiser is good. 300 DPS at 50km for a tech one cruiser is good. Hitting targets out to 100km in a cheap platform is useful. Doing it in a plex that Nagas can't go into is a nice surprise for most people.

It's use depends on the situation. I've used it successfully in different scenarios and thats all that really needs to be said about it.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-03-28 23:48:36 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Rail FW Moa:

High:
250mm Rail II x 5
Mid:
Experimental MWD
LSE II
TC II x 2
SB II
Low:
MFS II x 3
RCU II
Rigs:
Shield EM
Shield Extender x 2

Warrior II x 3

This is not a solo boat obviously. It has enough CPU to swap the SB for a warp Disruptor but not enough cap to effectively kite. I use it against kitey crap while being covered by a brawler bud.

20.6k EHP
Faction AM - Faction Lead - Spike (all with 24.6km falloff)
468 DPS at 22.4km - 328 DPS at 46.8km - 243 DPS at 84.2km

The Spike DPS is sans drones. (48 DPS)

I personally use damage implants so my numbers are:
511 - 357 - 268

Gallente medium rails might be hurt but Caldari are fine- and they are the rail race.

why do you use overheat dps numbers? dont tell me that you can overheat all throu a fight cause it is not true
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#43 - 2013-03-29 00:08:09 UTC
Overheat can be pushed for 45 seconds. Shrug.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#44 - 2013-03-29 00:15:55 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
Gallente medium rails might be hurt but Caldari are fine- and they are the rail race.

Only small/medium railgun with optimal range bonus left is the Ferox. caldari and gallente are in the same bag for this matter. Though, as you said Railguns will still have the best damage output outside scorch pulse range. Hence, scorch being nerfed the same as everyone else, railguns supremacy range just have been increased by 10%.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-03-29 00:25:39 UTC
Never thought I'd see the words "supremacy" and "railgun" next to each other.....ever. At least not since the days of megas sniping gate camps of...oooh.....2005(ish)
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#46 - 2013-03-29 00:39:16 UTC
Well, that was not considering large weapons in fact, but they really have the best dps of all medium weapons outside medium pulse scorch range.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#47 - 2013-03-29 01:40:20 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Only small/medium railgun with optimal range bonus left is the Ferox.


Cormorant?
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#48 - 2013-03-29 01:53:19 UTC
Cormorant, Raptor, Eagle, Harpy, Ferox, Vulture and Rokh have a optimal range bonus.

Infact, a fleet of Raptors kiting around you with railguns can end very badly. I find them to be alot better as a fleet interceptor with that in mind. To bad I dont fly a Raptor as much as Id like too. Shame.

Anyway. Im not a fan of medium or large railguns. However, I do use small railguns.

Funny, but I would use medium and large artillery. Which is strange because you can insta pop certain ships with any ship using large railguns.

As for mediums. Honestly, I dont like using medium hybrid anything and I could say the same for large. I think the Rokh and Talos are the only reason I use large hybrids. Otherwise I'd only rock large laser and artillery turrets.

When you really think about it. If CCP didnt BOOST artillery. How many people would use them other than on a Thrasher? I would never have a reason to train large turrets for Minmatar. Still don't to be honest...


- killz

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Storm Novah
Yada Industries
#49 - 2013-03-29 03:19:31 UTC
Stan'din wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
F&I Thread

TE2 going from 15/30 to 10/20. The thread needs more tears so get over there.


OP gaymatar finally getting nerfed, love it

I seriously doubt that this was intended as a direct nerf for the Minmatar ships considering they are trying to rebalance modules within the confines of similar mods to make them all balanced in power relative to their performance.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-03-29 07:33:13 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Overheat can be pushed for 45 seconds. Shrug.

usually me and my corp fight 5-10 mins ,this is small fleet warfare , alli ops fighting is even longer, so 45 secs overheating isnt the standard indicator at all
yeah you can kill 1 enemy in 45 sec ,if you gangbang him ,but why overheat for that anyway, yes low sec you can repair nearly anywhere still i cant see why would i use OH as standard fighting
Tentrum
The Wise Man's Fear
#51 - 2013-03-30 00:10:29 UTC
So more PVP adjustment, how wonderful.

Is there even such a thing as PVE in EVE ?

WAIT WAIT!!!!!

I have the perfect idea that would fix absolutely EVERYTHING.

EVE needs to be more like WOW.

I wants me a PVP set and a PVE set.

All I have to say, you are relieved to go back to whatever it was you were doing Cool
Dirk Thellere
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2013-03-30 00:11:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirk Thellere
Inb4 carebear flaming.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2013-03-30 13:28:11 UTC
Dirk Thellere wrote:
Inb4 carebear flaming.

too late it seems
Novah Soul
#54 - 2013-03-30 14:26:37 UTC
Tentrum wrote:
So more PVP adjustment, how wonderful.

Is there even such a thing as PVE in EVE ?

WAIT WAIT!!!!!

I have the perfect idea that would fix absolutely EVERYTHING.

EVE needs to be more like WOW.

I wants me a PVP set and a PVE set.

All I have to say, you are relieved to go back to whatever it was you were doing Cool

Eve has always been an inherently pvp-centered game. I don't pvp much and even I'm aware of this.

A man is known by the quality of his friends. - Lex Luthor
Makavelia
National Industries
#55 - 2013-03-30 15:09:10 UTC
Novah Soul wrote:
Tentrum wrote:
So more PVP adjustment, how wonderful.

Is there even such a thing as PVE in EVE ?

WAIT WAIT!!!!!

I have the perfect idea that would fix absolutely EVERYTHING.

EVE needs to be more like WOW.

I wants me a PVP set and a PVE set.

All I have to say, you are relieved to go back to whatever it was you were doing Cool

Eve has always been an inherently pvp-centered game. I don't pvp much and even I'm aware of this.


Take away all the mission runners

Take away all the explorers

Take away all the miners

Take away all the incursion runners

Take away all the industrialists

Take away all the traders


You have left a small majority of people dedicated to pvp.

Take away those who do nothing but kill the 6 ventures above (thats not pvp)

Now you are left with a HUGE population of players doing real pvp (lol).

I love it when people still go on like eve is some harsh hardcore pvp game.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-03-30 16:56:30 UTC
Makavelia wrote:
Novah Soul wrote:
Tentrum wrote:
So more PVP adjustment, how wonderful.

Is there even such a thing as PVE in EVE ?

WAIT WAIT!!!!!

I have the perfect idea that would fix absolutely EVERYTHING.

EVE needs to be more like WOW.

I wants me a PVP set and a PVE set.

All I have to say, you are relieved to go back to whatever it was you were doing Cool

Eve has always been an inherently pvp-centered game. I don't pvp much and even I'm aware of this.


Take away all the mission runners

Take away all the explorers

Take away all the miners

Take away all the incursion runners

Take away all the industrialists

Take away all the traders


You have left a small majority of people dedicated to pvp.

Take away those who do nothing but kill the 6 ventures above (thats not pvp)

Now you are left with a HUGE population of players doing real pvp (lol).

I love it when people still go on like eve is some harsh hardcore pvp game.


FPS are pvp games. Eve can exist just fine without pvp, Eve cannot exist without pve, unless everyone pvp in rookie ships.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#57 - 2013-03-31 08:31:06 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Eve can exist just fine without pvp, Eve cannot exist without pve


You have that exactly backwards. CCP could delete every rat forever next downtime and EVE could carry on without them. In fact arguably it would be a better game if they did.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2013-03-31 08:46:52 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Eve can exist just fine without pvp, Eve cannot exist without pve


You have that exactly backwards. CCP could delete every rat forever next downtime and EVE could carry on without them. In fact arguably it would be a better game if they did.

yup

eve can exist just fine without pvp ??rofl
oh sure yes the competition becomes who has the bigger wallet or what?
Oh mine is bigger than yours anyway:D you lost time to delete your accs
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-04-01 05:22:36 UTC
Tentrum wrote:
I wants me a PVP set and a PVE set.

So I heard that EVE already works pretty much like this...

What does it have to do with TEs though?

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Hamatitio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-04-01 13:29:53 UTC
Tracking enhancers have always given too large of a boost. I've said it for years now.

Don't worry, whatever inadvertent change or meta that comes about from this will be reviewed in a few years, enjoy the ride until then ;)