Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Balancing does not mean you're forced to change ship stats.

DONT TOUCH MA FLABBER!

Seriously, let it how its, it is fine.

In the absence of bonuses, and even then with only 2 turret slots, the navy vexor will almost never fit hybrids. It will be a drone boat that uses it's highs for utility, and if that's all good then it'll fit projectiles due to the non-cap/easier fitting side. The extra dps from guns will be something it really shouldn't be thinking about unless there's nothing else worth fitting. I'd say it's already where you want the Ishtar to be.

And that is the problem .. one fit and one fit only. Sure the lows may be mixed up a bit but on the whole it will never be more used for anything other than kiting, simply because it will be incapable of anything else. Poorly conceived, plain and simple.

Compare it to the Slicer where brawling fits works:
- Small pulse tracking is good enough with a rig or two, medium pulse not so much .. assuming you don't have to blow your rigs on gun cap reduction or tank.
- Dps/targetEHP ratio (180+/~5k) as it pertains to the brawling Slicer allows it to sidestep any cap issues by making fights fast and furious, same goes for most brawlers in that weight class .. the bleeder fits of old are effectively obsolete. *New* Nomen reintroduces the bleeder concept by having what can only be characterized as anaemic dps, ratio is ~225dps/40-50kHp.. but how many cap rigs/lows do you reckon will be required to fill that niche considering everything with a utility high packs a neut?

The only way for the proposed Nomen to be anything other a super-sized kiting Slicer is if we get the third M/L pulse turrets, ie. the Gatlings. Would go a long way towards solving cap/tracking problem and will allow the user to essentially ignore fitting costs thus also solving tank problems .. the dps issue will remain though, less damage than the Coercer albeit with more range does not bode well for a ship that is pitted against ships with 5-10x the EHP of the light classes.

In short: One fit does not a good ship design make, quite the opposite.

Threw down that fit in a hurry and didn't account for the fact that the new omen has 4 guns instead of 5. Which essentially gives it even more freedom in fitting. But the philosophy is the same.

I can totally understand what you are saying. I guess it boils down to whether one thinks a ship should be able to have different roles depending on the fitting. I don't mind that some ships are highly specialized filling a certain niche and I really love the concept of the ship solely as a speedy and agile kiter. Compare the new omen with the vagabond for example. I believe that the navy omen as a kiter fills a gap where we have no equivalents, whereas I can think of many ships with higher DPS/more EHP that do better jobs as brawlers.

I would technically be fine if the proposed Nomen would have ONE viable setup, but I just dont see it.

The entire idea of kiting is undermined by bad dps, cap instability and the fact that its counter parts are basically just as fast or faster than even a specialized nomen will be. Keeping out off tackle against a semi decent pilot is a pipe dream.


If you were to give us 35km long points and an additional 80m/s it would work as a kiter, but as is, it doesnt work.


By the way it is proposed now, it seems like a bad alternative for an oracle, that does everything worse, and costs more.

In the previous version of Navy Cruisers you had
3x speed, and 1x tanking Augeror at the bottom tier, and then 4x heavy hitters at the top tier.

What they wanted to do with this pass is give every race 1x speed ship and 1x brawler. So they flipped the NOmen from top tier to the speed fit and then moved the Augeror to the tanky fit (because that's what it already was).

I think your (Amarr pilots) complaint should really be that you think the NAugeror sucks donkey balls - you already have Mallers - and that you'd like more damage projection at the expense of being a flying brick. Projected NAugeror should map to the old NOmen.

However, has anybody looked at the NAugeror? You guys like it? What do you want changed?

On paper I'm delighted with the NAugeror as proposed, it has some very unique advantages and remains very race specific. We'll have to see how it works out live.

I agree with this as well, I've always rather enjoyed that if I wanted a step up from a non faction hull without the various involvements of T2 hulls I could simply grab the navy variant... making them so drastically different from the original seems to be a very odd way to go from game history and story.

Once again, I agree, when I started playing this game back on 2010 (I know, not a long time, but to me it's a decent chunk of time), I liked that the slicer took on the base of the Executioner and improved on it, and ditto for Omen and NOmen. This seems like a rather odd change up, especially when your making the NOmen have completely lower armor tank then opposing racial number. I don't argue that with these changes it's going to make a pretty nice kiting ship, and I have nothing against kiting doctrine, I've played with it abit myself and enjoyed it... I just don't like stepping away from what I percieve as traditional roles of Navy ships compared to their normal counterparts.

THIS I could agree with, making it a beam platform, it's about time that the amarr got something decent for beams for once!