Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'd be okay if you could warp to the last known location of a cloaked fleet member, but not warp to the cloaked member precisely where he is (in case he's moving). Maybe even warp to a point within a "rough" area around its actual location.

Reasoning behind this is that the cloaking field prevents a lot of modules from working, and prevents a ship from showing on others' scanner. However while you're in a fleet, the coordinates of your fleet member is always known, until they cloak. So, cloak to last known coordinate, or rough area around it (less precise basically), sounds like a sensible middle-ground to me.

Providing "surprise" warp in points is one of the primary purposes of ships that fit a covert ops cloak. Why nerf them?

And uncloaking to provide a warp for a ship with paper thin tank? Why?

And you do realize that the most likely reaction of the opposing side will be to warp out so that they can re-position as well. After chances are that when the cloaked ship decloaks that means the enemy is in warp, so bug out and re-position as well.

And why do you think it would make sniping more viable? You make this claim with zero evidence and zero theorizing...basically it is an claimed backed by nothing, nada, zip, zilch, squat. If anything, knowing I could see fleet commander A who knows his opponents are in sniper ships would want to move (warp, burn) from their initial position so that they don't sit there like ducks for the snipers. In other words, sniper fleets might be even harder.

What other roles for the cloaked ships would be left? You claim that they have many other uses, but you just leave it hanging there. Do a better job, list them don't assume we are mind readers. Here I'll get you started:

Break a gate camp to light a cyno
Scout
Bombing runs...oh wait no, not possible if you have to warp to an uncloaked ship...or at least a lot harder
Uhhhmmm.....?

At this point, no. Try doing a better job on your proposal.

The covops cloak is not a problem. The problem is that ship is fully operational for unlimited amount of time under cloak.

You don't need to shoot. You don't need to dock, you don't need to use a gate. You don't need to launch probes and/or drones, you don't need to activate any modules. All you need to do is sit there cloaked, watch the scene and provide a warp spot or cyno when it's time. And before that, you're invulnerable, save exploits.

Invulnerable is also misleading. Oh effectively, under conditions implied here, they cannot find you well enough to attack you.

This state of being applies as well to:
Pilots docked
Pilots logged off
Pilots inside a POS shield
Pilots aligned and using local to alert them when to hit warp to a safe location.

Now, add to this, in exchange for the ability to gather intel, they often sacrifice the ability to use the information themselves.
This is referring to the diminished capability these ships get balanced with to make up for their stealth.

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That's my 'butthurt ratter' detector exploding in a mist of logic.

Narrow.

An interesting accusation, considering the context of your claims.

You refer to cloaked vessels in a way that is exclusive to the perspective of someone trying to counter them.
You ignore tactics and counters already present and mentioned in this very thread.

You do not seem to consider other aspects relating to cloaking.

Narrow indeed.

Another assumption.

The only time I even mentioned local was when I was supplying a comparison list of well established categories that are known to be hard to kill.

You stated clearly:


If this is not a suggestion something is needed to correct what you termed "The problem", then how would you describe it?

So, which side does this fall under then?
Needs more power in exchange for that cloak? Go fly an AF instead.

Are you trying to point out a covops frigate, presumably fitted to operate undetected and manage gate camps, is somehow overpowered because it lacks a time limit?

Even uncloaked, your ship cannot expect to be effective against any prepared PvP pilot. You ARE flying the extreme example of sneaky but otherwise harmless, as far as ship models are considered.
Each race has one.

The difference between this and a armor tanked BS is that the BS cannot warp cloaked.
Assuming both ships fit a cloak:
Both ships can sit off of a gate, and watch for ships entering.
Both ships can be warped to by fleet members.
Both ships can sit in a system with enemy sov and drive PvE pilots crazy.

In an Anathema, if they know you have no cyno equipped, you can still annoy them.
But without a fleet backing you up, all you can offer is intel.

And there it is.

Local is your counter, or perhaps I should say, the cloaked vessel is the counter for local chat's intel.

Since the intel being provided is an absolute, flawless and free from effort to obtain, so must it's counter be in order to have balance.
You cannot detect a cloaked vessel. The cloak is an absolute, barring pilot error. The same as using local is.

Now, if you want to reduce the effectiveness of the cloaked ship, local intel also needs to be diminished.

Between the two, you have balance. It may not be the game play you want, but that is not relevant to the fact that it IS still balanced.

If you insist on objecting to one half of this equation, the other doesn't simply vanish to suit your interests.
These two aspects are tied together.

How would you suggest changing these two sides?