EVE New Citizens Q&A

I'm coming from swtor to eve and on swtor pvp there is a sickness nicknamed 'stunlock" in which you are being stunned in a chain by number of players and can't do a thing until you are basically dead. that's why I didn't pvp on swotr on regular basis.

when I'm thinking pvp I'm thinking about two players using best tools they got to challenge each other in combat. But in eve seems that all the praise for pvp was kinda redundant.

Most of the time people will recommend on joining roam fleet as a strike force which I think it's ok but I've decided to run around on 0.4 trying my luck on pvp but god what an awful experience....

I was piloting an hurricane with long range guns and small horde of warrior drones...
flown around a bit I've found a red marked rupture... decided to try my luck and from 30-40 km I've shot him while orbiting sending my wariior drones as well.

got him to half armor or so before his friends joined... this is the place to admit that I was indeed sucidal as I knew this tactic of "trap" where one guy waiting to be attacked near the gate and calling his friends to warp in on target but god that moment they joined I was warp disrupted\ webbed \ target lock disrupted etc... and from distance as well so basicly couldn't do anything but sit there and wait for it to blown up.

my point is that I was thinking pvp in space battles is more about utilizing the ship weapon system as offensive skills and ship shields\armor powers as defensive skills and while maneuvering around throwing some EWAR here and there but 100% of the time being "Stunlocked" is just pure pain and makes the whole hunting trip rampage useless...

without EWAR abuse it's a combat of skills utilizing ur ship but with the EWAR abuse it's like going to fishing finding a small pong with one fish where all you need is grab him with your hand.. I mean where is the sport in that?

my choices are to form a fleet like those guys goind around find some ppl going solo and stunlock them to death or going without EWAR and getting stunlocked myself.

just not fun.

Sooooooo... you basically think that combat should be straight "fast paced gank and tank" huh?

Sorry to sound like an ass... but EVE rewards those who can best stack the odds in his/her favor. E-Bushido is not enforced.

edit:
Alright... I'll be more constructive.


There is a reason people recommend running with other, more experienced people, when you first start out. You lack the experience and knowledge necessary to deal with Ewar and the many different ways people can screw you over.

One piece of advice I can give you is to use the thing you hate so much (you stated your intention to)... that way you become more intimate with its strengths and weaknesses and how to counter it (by studying how people get around it and manage to kill you).

That's not PvP, that's a fighting game.

You can buy them at your local game store, I recommend Soul Calibur.

If you're going to play an MMO, PvP by its very nature is tactical and potentially involves more than one opponent. Welcome to the late '90s.

I didn't want to win, there was a reason I went solo, I didn't like my latest ship so I decided to destroy it in glorious suicidal battle but what's the point of it if all pvp is basically gank fleets and every where you'll go it's same trick rinse and repeat?
utter meh...

I expected EWAR on pvp to have some limits, like let's say after I'm webbed for X seconds by player Y I cannot be webbed again by him for Z seconds while he recharge his web device... something to make it bit more competitive.

I mean what is the point of all that?

I'm thinking about the other side and if I would've done same thing, where is the thrill and sense of accomplishment when we are 4 people vs one person and that one person can't move at all, can't lock onto us and defenitly can't shoot us?

I think persons like that are Miner that should get out of the closet and admit they are MINERS which likes to shoot at static non moving target for the sole purpose of mining and in pvp instead of ores they get kill mail to stroke their e-peen.

you don't think that in same situation which I've described it would have been more fun and challenging let's say if I could be only being targeted by ONE system of EWAR so they would've to work bit harder to beat me? what's the point?

I was doing missions for week now harvesting some 200 mil isk in the thought pvp should be interesting experience and I wouldn't care if I'll lose my ship as I can just purchase new one but instead what I see here instead of space combat is utter game of EWAR like space hackers or something.
truly after this experience I think I would've benefited more if I've made a dedicated EWAR ship just going with fleet of frigs piloted by random people I'll hire going around ruining the day for other players but then again where is the fun in that? I'll jest go mining and get same old experience of winning in pvp and in mining my minerals are sold for cash,

One thing about combat in EVE: if you trip up, you land on a slippery slope to disaster. You're almost always guessing about what the other guy has working for him; if you're worried about things like webs and scramblers, you need to figure out what the counters to them are. You can set off an ECM burst, or throw ECM drones at the adversary, or try to flatten their capacitor reserves so they can't power their E-war, or you can keep dancing outside their E-war range. You adversary is usually performing his own balancing act; you just don't see it, because it's usually not as simple as the game disabling a module once it's been used so that it can recharge.

EVE pvp is a game of countering your opponent and trading off to do so.

I did write a bunch of stuff about "balance" in PvP and that it exists but then I deleted it and, instead, I'll write this:

Try it.

Seriously, do exactly that. Try to do it then report back with your findings.

Give it a whirl.

The best tools I have are all the other people I play with.

To counter webs you can:
- kill webber before the fact of you being webbed and more or less stationary will lead to your demise
- be fast enough to get out of its range (overheat prop mod)
- NOT TO GET INTO HIS WEB RANGE
- ECM him so he loses lock
- neut him so he cannot keep web going

To counter point (scram/disruptor) you can:
- kill opponent pointing you before the fact of you being unable to warp out (and in case of scram use mwd) will lead to your demise
- be fast enough to get out of its range (overheat prop mod, here only AB can help)
- NOT TO GET INTO HIS POINT RANGE
- ECM him so he loses lock
- neut him so he cannot keep web going

To counter ECM you can:
- kill him before he applies successfully ECM on you
- fit ECCM
- ECM him first

And to all of above you can add: "bring your friends" but you posted about solo so whatevs...

Probably there are more but I suck at this game so cannot think about them atm.

Regarding of us mocking your posts:

You display the feat Eve players in general don't tolerate: feel of entitlement. You are not unique snowflake, nobody really cares what and how you do in Eve. Instead just asking for advice what could you do differently to avoid or minimize chances of losing similar engagements in the future you started to complain how game doesn't follow rules you imagined it should follow.

Well you see the problem is this

1. How you you handle it?

Either don't engage (or leave once you get jammed, damped etc if you can)
or
Fit ECCM (only really viable if you know what to expect)

2. Pretty much nothing for the person receiving the ECM stick up their ass but the Falcon/Griffin pilots love it

Webs are warp scrams are normally limited to around 10km. Using a MWD you can stay outside of this range if in a fast enough ship, especially if you overheat the MWD.
Sensor boosters or just getting closer counters damps, tracking computers/enhancers counter tracking disrupters, cap boosters counter neuting, going faster sorta counters target painters, ECCM counters ECM, drones and FoF missiles circumvents it.

E-war is fun because it lets pilots bring something more interesting to the table than just more dps or repping. And repping in particular would be very difficult to counter without ECM and damping. And obviously without webs and scrams it'd be almost impossible to kill anything before it escaped.