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Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-03-28 03:46:23 UTC
Is there a ship that can fly in high sec that is designed to transport other ships that have been assembled?

Thanks.
Sayeeda Ormarr
House Ormarr
#2 - 2013-03-28 03:57:15 UTC
If the ship isn't too big.. use an Orca
Galan Amarias
Kantian Principle
#3 - 2013-03-28 04:15:33 UTC
If they are assembled use the contract system and a freighter. If they need to go to low sec, get some friends to guard your freighter.
Baggo Hammers
#4 - 2013-03-28 04:36:20 UTC
Would you please stick to practicing scanning?

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-28 12:33:07 UTC
The Orca's ship hangar can hold assembled ships up to battlecruiser size (but it only has room for one battlecruiser). Assembled battleships can only be shipped in hisec via freighter by using a courier contract.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Vigo Carpath
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-28 12:41:50 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
The Orca's ship hangar can hold assembled ships up to battlecruiser size (but it only has room for one battlecruiser). Assembled battleships can only be shipped in hisec via freighter by using a courier contract.



I thought the orca can only carry industrial ships?
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#7 - 2013-03-28 12:52:50 UTC
Vigo Carpath wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
The Orca's ship hangar can hold assembled ships up to battlecruiser size (but it only has room for one battlecruiser). Assembled battleships can only be shipped in hisec via freighter by using a courier contract.



I thought the orca can only carry industrial ships?


That's the Rorqual you're thinking of there.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#8 - 2013-03-28 13:15:08 UTC
Vigo Carpath wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
The Orca's ship hangar can hold assembled ships up to battlecruiser size (but it only has room for one battlecruiser). Assembled battleships can only be shipped in hisec via freighter by using a courier contract.



I thought the orca can only carry industrial ships?


That would be it's bigger brother -- the Rorqual.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Eve Amada
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-03-28 13:31:41 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Vigo Carpath wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
The Orca's ship hangar can hold assembled ships up to battlecruiser size (but it only has room for one battlecruiser). Assembled battleships can only be shipped in hisec via freighter by using a courier contract.



I thought the orca can only carry industrial ships?


That would be it's bigger brother -- the Rorqual.



Being that the Orca can hold any type of ship that can fit in it & the Rorqual can only hold industrial/mining ships.

I think this is so wrong & needs to be changed. It is kind of a discrimination by CCP.

Either allow the Rorqual to carry any ship(s) that can fit in its bay or just allow the Orca to hold only industrials/mining ships.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-03-28 13:51:43 UTC
Eve Amada wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Vigo Carpath wrote:
I thought the orca can only carry industrial ships?


That would be it's bigger brother -- the Rorqual.



Being that the Orca can hold any type of ship that can fit in it & the Rorqual can only hold industrial/mining ships.

I think this is so wrong & needs to be changed. It is kind of a discrimination by CCP.

Either allow the Rorqual to carry any ship(s) that can fit in its bay or just allow the Orca to hold only industrials/mining ships.


Bear in mind that a regular carrier can go anywhere a Rorqual can go, if you need non-industrial ships backing up the Rorqual's operations. There's no equivalent "jeep carrier" to complement the Orca in hisec.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Tharin Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#11 - 2013-03-28 16:45:40 UTC
I'd pay good organs (not mine, some Amarr guy's) to get a mid-range hauler that can transport fitted ships. The Orca's a jack of all trades, but that means there's a whole lot of things to train for that I have no interest in (Mining Foreman, director, etc) in order to fly it. My Mammoth maxes around 30K m3, and a Fenrir is 1.5 billion for 720K m3 (up to 900K). Where's my battleship+ sized hauler in the middle? Clone out the Orca's 400K maintenance bay and 30K cargo bay. I'd buy that for 400-500 mill in a heartbeat.

/rant
Slaveofjita
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-03-28 17:27:19 UTC
Tharin Malkyre wrote:
I'd pay good organs (not mine, some Amarr guy's) to get a mid-range hauler that can transport fitted ships. The Orca's a jack of all trades, but that means there's a whole lot of things to train for that I have no interest in (Mining Foreman, director, etc) in order to fly it. My Mammoth maxes around 30K m3, and a Fenrir is 1.5 billion for 720K m3 (up to 900K). Where's my battleship+ sized hauler in the middle? Clone out the Orca's 400K maintenance bay and 30K cargo bay. I'd buy that for 400-500 mill in a heartbeat.

/rant



it has a 50k bay actually when you fit cargo expanders, 92k if you fit t1 rigs on it and 100k if you fit t2 rigs. it also has a 40k fleet hangar that you can use(even if you dont have corp roles), this brings its total to 130k m3 space you can use probably a bit less than that since not everyone has industrial command ship at lvl5

also has an ore hold bay of 50km3 and a ship bay of 400km3

it can haul pretty massive amount of cargo.
and i love it for wormholes.

its training time is not that horrible(41 days for a character with none of the skills and +3 in) altough the stuff that you need to train it is useless for anything but rorqual training.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-28 17:46:45 UTC
And it'll be easier to get into soon - the skill changes that should be dropping with Odyssey will switch the Mining Barge V requirement to ORE Industrial III. You'll still need Mining Foreman V (for Mining Director I), but that's a rank-2 skill, no more than ten days. According to the dev blog, training for the Orca will drop from 49 days base to 17.

Fit it right, and it'll travel long distances nearly as quickly as a battleship, carrying cargos that would never fit in any industrial transport, with enough defenses to weather all but the worst gankers.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Tharin Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#14 - 2013-03-28 17:48:26 UTC
Slaveofjita wrote:
it has a 50k bay actually when you fit cargo expanders, 92k if you fit t1 rigs on it and 100k if you fit t2 rigs. it also has a 40k fleet hangar that you can use(even if you dont have corp roles), this brings its total to 130k m3 space you can use probably a bit less than that since not everyone has industrial command ship at lvl5

also has an ore hold bay of 50km3 and a ship bay of 400km3

it can haul pretty massive amount of cargo.
and i love it for wormholes.

its training time is not that horrible(41 days for a character with none of the skills and +3 in) altough the stuff that you need to train it is useless for anything but rorqual training.
Oh yes, I'm not faulting the Orca. It's a fine ship, and can do just about anything you ask of it. But as you say, it sends the user down a fairly limited use training path. I'd just like to see a dedicated hauler in between the Industrials and Freighters that doesn't require all the extra bits.
Tharin Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#15 - 2013-03-28 17:50:37 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
And it'll be easier to get into soon - the skill changes that should be dropping with Odyssey will switch the Mining Barge V requirement to ORE Industrial III. You'll still need Mining Foreman V (for Mining Director I), but that's a rank-2 skill, no more than ten days. According to the dev blog, training for the Orca will drop from 49 days base to 17.

Fit it right, and it'll travel long distances nearly as quickly as a battleship, carrying cargos that would never fit in any industrial transport, with enough defenses to weather all but the worst gankers.
That I had entirely forgotten. Guess I need to reread that dev blog. Could make it a sight more palatable from a training standpoint.
Vigo Carpath
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-03-28 19:07:18 UTC
Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:
Vigo Carpath wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
The Orca's ship hangar can hold assembled ships up to battlecruiser size (but it only has room for one battlecruiser). Assembled battleships can only be shipped in hisec via freighter by using a courier contract.



I thought the orca can only carry industrial ships?


That's the Rorqual you're thinking of there.



Damnit so I can't ghost ride my soon to be built rorqual slowcat?
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#17 - 2013-03-28 19:34:00 UTC
Vigo Carpath wrote:
Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:
Vigo Carpath wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
The Orca's ship hangar can hold assembled ships up to battlecruiser size (but it only has room for one battlecruiser). Assembled battleships can only be shipped in hisec via freighter by using a courier contract.



I thought the orca can only carry industrial ships?


That's the Rorqual you're thinking of there.



Damnit so I can't ghost ride my soon to be built rorqual slowcat?

You can. You'll just be using your Battle Skiff to tackle.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Lord Fudo
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-03-28 20:11:30 UTC
Eve Amada wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Vigo Carpath wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
The Orca's ship hangar can hold assembled ships up to battlecruiser size (but it only has room for one battlecruiser). Assembled battleships can only be shipped in hisec via freighter by using a courier contract.



I thought the orca can only carry industrial ships?


That would be it's bigger brother -- the Rorqual.



Being that the Orca can hold any type of ship that can fit in it & the Rorqual can only hold industrial/mining ships.

I think this is so wrong & needs to be changed. It is kind of a discrimination by CCP.

Either allow the Rorqual to carry any ship(s) that can fit in its bay or just allow the Orca to hold only industrials/mining ships.


Only if they add a ship that can carry assembled/rigged ships. Freighters are expensive, slow as hell and you have to use courier contracts. Orca is a near perfect platform for hauling smaller ships. Whether industrial or combat ships.

I think they should just leave the orca as is.
Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-03-28 20:18:30 UTC
Thanks for that.

I figured Orca was the only ship capable of fulfilling my needs.

I'm 6 days away from having it all trained up.

It would be nice just to have a ship transporter though, especially if you wanted to move an entire fleet in one hit.

Orca should fit my needs for now though.
Vigo Carpath
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-03-28 20:58:01 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Vigo Carpath wrote:
Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:
Vigo Carpath wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
The Orca's ship hangar can hold assembled ships up to battlecruiser size (but it only has room for one battlecruiser). Assembled battleships can only be shipped in hisec via freighter by using a courier contract.



I thought the orca can only carry industrial ships?


That's the Rorqual you're thinking of there.



Damnit so I can't ghost ride my soon to be built rorqual slowcat?

You can. You'll just be using your Battle Skiff to tackle.



I am so doing that!!!!
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