Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You have no right to even make that statement since you are basing your assessment on a fit/style that on paper (ie. before TE's were broken) was niche at best. Four mids and Six lows .. wonder which rack it was intended to use for tank, you should try it, probably even godlier now that plates have lost a heap of mass .. deadly as hell thanks to being able to completely ignore relative speeds due to its mad tracking and having that infinitely important fourth mid.

And that is how one is rude .. politely.

Nomen is going to be a perfect ship, if it was Minmatar. High mobility and low damage .. makes perfect sense that the SFI is made into a Amarr dogma hull that is a better brawler (why/how the decision to make that odd switch came about ...)

I feel like what the races are good at, and what their races bring in their lines of ships has been lost. Examples like making Minmatar slower, or giving Amarr ships less armor than other ships. This is not to say that races should have absolutely no diversity, but to me when it comes to Navy ships they should follow the racial trend. The Navy ships represent improved versions of ships, that represent what that race does the best. These changes, while slightly interesting, don't properly represent what each race has to offer.

Ignore everyone who says that the Scythe ("effectively") only has 1 bonus... The thing they are failing to recognize is that it's a 50% bonus... to both systems... and one of those bonuses is to rate of fire... as opposed to one being 25% (dmg) and one being 33% bonus (rof). So instead of a single total 1.25/.75=1.67 (or 67%) bonus to just one weapon system folks have a choice of either 100% bonus to turret dps or a 50% bonus missile dmg (and on top of all this, there's still 1 high slot left). This lets folks fly as either a high dps gun ship (which requires positional advantage to properly apply damage) or a moderate dps missile boat (which doesn't rely on position for damage as long as it can stay in range). This reflects Minmatar fitting versatility nicely.

You might consider pointing this out in your OP (since it keeps coming up).

That being said, the Minmatar align times are awful; a race that relies on "Skirmish Warfare", versatility, and positional advantage should not be bottoming the charts on combat agility. The Scythe I can understand given the significant tanking boost. It's the Stabber's speed that perplexes me considering its tracking bonus. Given the massive boosts to max speed that you've given to all the other navy hulls, wouldn't it be logical to help the Stabber dictate terms with more speed/agi (better matching its base hull and Minmatar philosophy on the whole)? It seems to me like the sig rad and max speed of the Scythe and Stabber should be reversed.

You say:

To get a better idea of where you're coming from: specifically, what role do you see it filling at the moment? (others 1, 2, 3 seem to think tackler / bumper / anti-frigate support vessel... does this reflect your own view?). With all these other navy ships becoming nearly as fast or faster, roles 1 and 2 can potentially be filled by other ships. That leaves anti-frigte support. And with the tracking enhancer nerf coming, applied dps to frigate sized targets will not be as easy to keep at high speeds. Requiring either, A.) not using the stabber's full speed (in which case, why have it?), or B.) consuming a mid with a tracking computer. Either way, if you expect this ship to continue to fulfill its role as it has in the past, something needs to change: probably the tracking bonus.

Tracking bonus for StabberFI is working as intended because it doesn't have a high slot for neutralizer to fight frigs in a close combat. That's where a tracking bonus helps. You may use 425 mm autocanons for better damage and fall-off and still have a good tracking.

I'm having a difficult time to understand all this changes.

Why the penalties on mass in what is supposed to be the the *fast* race? Making the ships ab/mwd slower.
Will you reduce armor/shields on ships with the 5% resist bonuses which is also a racial thing. Bit idiotic isn't it?
I understand that speed is important, and differences between ships should be small, but shouldn't that be valid when talking about resists or drone racial stuff?

Having a balanced "jack of all trades" is really difficult to achieve, usually you have ships without a role or/and without a tank or/and without substancial damage in their window of engagement or/and less ways of maintaining that same window (generic, not only about this changes to faction cruisers).

Where are you heading with Minmatar ships as a whole with the rebalance? I don't get it.

Awesome for the caracal navy isssue and the Vexor, but if the caracal loses all its drones, it will do less damage than the normal caracal...

maybe could change its ROF bonus to 7.5% or add 1 launcher? otherwise the explosion radius bonus is not worth it, given most of time targets are already scrammed and webbed and thus hit by full damage.

exe navy issue is going to be godly with dual webs and a 4 slot armor buffer tank +2x mag stabs. It's essentially going to be a higher dps cookie cutter armor rax.

Swap the utility high on the NOmen for a mid and I'll fly it for the rest of time? Both of the Amarr ships look fun, they both offer something different to what Amarr currently has which I like a lot.

Can't wait to try these out on the test server

Full support. Proposed concept is just way too restrictive in terms of fitting/style options whereas a split track/range bonus opens up brawling (which it is barred from due to having no damage) while helping with the kiting to boot .. fourth mid would be lovely, but not sure both suggested changes are necessary to open up its pigeon hole .. ie. might be overkill, bordering on OP.

Any Zeal/Slicer pilot will confirm that no amount of weapon range will help you if get a tick, only tracking or a web (or TD and in limited situations a neut) can do that .. but perhaps that is the reason for curious drone bump, another forced decision - dishonour drones.

+1 for giving Caldari a Navy Hybrid boat. How about +10% per lvl Optimal Range and +10% damage per lvl, along with switching the numbers of Turrets and Launcher Slots. That way the people who wanted the Ferox to have Damage instead of Optimal could have their cake and the NOsprey could be either Blaster or Rail boat.