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Farmatar: Or why fw is totally broken

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Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-03-28 07:41:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
Again a "kill all farmers thread".

FW is still broken like hell.
I changed militia from amarr to caldari. I really got sick with farmatar militia.
And what do I see in cal/gal fw? Farmatars everywhere. And do not tell me that are all alts.
There are enough farmatar from well known minnie (sometimes even pvp!) corps (epta, true horde).
I know CCP give a damn f... about fw actually. But the system is so broken that it really hurts.
Everywhere are stabbed runaway minmatars farming the hell out of the warzone. Yes I mean the cal/gal warzone! Because these nasty cicadas have alredy farmed amarr/minmatar warzone down.
PVP has almost absolutely NO influence on warzone control
So CCP made fw like a war you win the best without fighting and where the best solution is to run away.
That is damn /&%"&/§

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Edit: YES I AM RAGING!!!! I see here sometimes more minnies than gals in cal/gal fw. The difference is the gals somtimes fight and the minnies run away.

Edit2: To Mnemic: Next gate camp you can make in cal/gal wz. There are more minnies here than in amarr wz^^

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#2 - 2013-03-28 07:55:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Markius TheShed
Let the hate FLOW your path to the Damar side is almost complete.

Farmers follow the Tiers so we are at Tier 4 and there are less Amarr systems so farmers go to Caldari, Which also shows that it's pointless to blame this faction or that faction, Farmers have no loyalty or affiliation with anyone.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107

Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-03-28 08:12:55 UTC
Quote:
Let the hate FLOW your path to the Damar side is almost complete.


I am prolly already on the damar side since I chased all those stabbed minnie slashers in august2012 ^^

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#4 - 2013-03-28 08:45:32 UTC
This isn't a Minmatar only issue - especially around T3, there were never ending waves of stabbed Caldari plexers coming down from Tama into the Nisuwa area. And it doesn't end at stabs either - stabs, cloaks, ecm all in one.

Farmers gonna farm :(
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#5 - 2013-03-28 09:12:59 UTC
chatgris wrote:
This isn't a Minmatar only issue - especially around T3, there were never ending waves of stabbed Caldari plexers coming down from Tama into the Nisuwa area. And it doesn't end at stabs either - stabs, cloaks, ecm all in one.

Farmers gonna farm :(


says farmer
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#6 - 2013-03-28 09:23:27 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
chatgris wrote:
This isn't a Minmatar only issue - especially around T3, there were never ending waves of stabbed Caldari plexers coming down from Tama into the Nisuwa area. And it doesn't end at stabs either - stabs, cloaks, ecm all in one.

Farmers gonna farm :(


says farmer


says farmer
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#7 - 2013-03-28 10:36:01 UTC
*poasting in amarrtard weeping thread*

Didn't see you complaining about farming when amarrs held most of metro and the whole auga/dal constellation due to the farmarr alt horde.

Maybe your shoes have strategically placed spikes so they make you weep piteously only when you put them on the other foot or something.

Hypocrite.
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-03-28 10:49:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
Quote:
*poasting in amarrtard weeping thread*

Didn't see you complaining about farming when amarrs held most of metro and the whole auga/dal constellation due to the farmarr alt horde.

Maybe your shoes have strategically placed spikes so they make you weep piteously only when you put them on the other foot or something.

Hypocrite.


It was never meant to hold that T3 longer than some hours. But what we didn´t know is that the whole farming armada would join us. It was completely crazy. We planned to take system "X" in a pvp operation and then the next day the farmers already took it faster than we PVPers ever dreamt of it.
I am more complaining here how worthless pvp has become concerning tier status. PVP influence on tier status is maybe not even 5%.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

eddie valvetino
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-03-28 11:29:17 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Again a "kill all farmers thread".

FW is still broken like hell.
I changed militia from amarr to caldari. I really got sick with farmatar militia.
And what do I see in cal/gal fw? Farmatars everywhere. And do not tell me that are all alts.
There are enough farmatar from well known minnie (sometimes even pvp!) corps (epta, true horde).
I know CCP give a damn f... about fw actually. But the system is so broken that it really hurts.
Everywhere are stabbed runaway minmatars farming the hell out of the warzone. Yes I mean the cal/gal warzone! Because these nasty cicadas have alredy farmed amarr/minmatar warzone down.
PVP has almost absolutely NO influence on warzone control
So CCP made fw like a war you win the best without fighting and where the best solution is to run away.
That is damn /&%"&/§

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Edit: YES I AM RAGING!!!! I see here sometimes more minnies than gals in cal/gal fw. The difference is the gals somtimes fight and the minnies run away.

Edit2: To Mnemic: Next gate camp you can make in cal/gal wz. There are more minnies here than in amarr wz^^


U mad?

I think you might need to see a Doctor about that pain in your butt too
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-03-28 11:59:55 UTC
Quote:


U mad?

I think you might need to see a Doctor about that pain in your butt too



grow up^^

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#11 - 2013-03-28 12:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
The way i see ii, you have 2 options.

1. Decouple ISK from plexing, this being the cause of and the fix for farming. Low sec population dies off again.

2. Slightly tweak the current systems tier rewards, add timer rollbacks, no stabs in plexes, something addressing evasion cloaking. This does not stop farming, just makes it slightly less passive. But those of us wanting to maintain a target rich environment are happy.

I think the curent system is ok. But it is scary how caldari, with their own fair share of farmers are hitting 35k VP per day yet make little headway into the occupancy. I wouldnt b surprised if matar farmers were hitting twce that VP, which is approaching inferno levels. Though their rewards are nothing like inferno, so its hard to say its as serious a problem.

On the other hand, there is little appititte to bust bunkers in gallente right now. So once the easy systems are vuln, the farmers will no doubt switch back to caldari. This will cheer certain caldari up and the forums will be ablaze with posts telling gallente we suck and that the system ROCKS lol.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#12 - 2013-03-28 12:49:12 UTC
FW will be broken as long as attacker and defender are interested about different things and different plexes.

If both have reason to take same plex fight for it may occur.

Docking denial does not work fully because farmers who mostly make systems flip are not really interested about docking at all.

so farmers farm systems that no one else is interested and defender defend systems where they want to dock.

things will come to point where FW people mostly base out of FW area on stations that can not be locked down and farmers can almost freely farm lp where they want.

i do not mind if we get totally rid of target rich environment where only challenge is to instapop stabbed farmers before they warp.
Killing farmers is as boring as farming plexes, that is why i do not bother to even kill farmers anymore.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#13 - 2013-03-28 14:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadow Adanza
You want a fight? Come to Nisuwa during US TZ late evenings/early nights and ask for a 1v1 in local. I'm sure someone will oblige. Or if you want, you can open a plex and see how many stir. Kedama is a good place for fights, as well. Quite a few pirates as well as Gallente and Caldari are all active there for what seems like most of the day.

This game is what you make of it. You can spend your time complaining about farmers, you can chase/kill them, or you can go and find fights and not even worry about the farmers not in your home system.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Yogsoloth
Fliet Pizza Delivery
Of Essence
#14 - 2013-03-28 14:43:55 UTC

The biggest issue is that there are several easy fixes to this problem that could be implemented overnight, we shouldn't have to wait 4+ months for these issues to get addressed.

Get on it already.
Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#15 - 2013-03-28 14:46:52 UTC
Yogsoloth wrote:

The biggest issue is that there are several easy fixes to this problem that could be implemented overnight, we shouldn't have to wait 4+ months for these issues to get addressed.

Get on it already.


Not to mention most of those fixes were discussed during pre-retribution fw changes talk. Unfortunatelly, I guess we'll have to wait for two more months (Odyssey) for any changes to be implemented Sad
Ginger Barbarella
#16 - 2013-03-28 16:34:02 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:

Edit: The difference is the gals somtimes fight and the minnies run away.


That certainly explains when the Minnie/Amarr warzone is almost ENTIRELY Minmatar controlled. Yup, Minmatar just run.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#17 - 2013-03-28 16:51:17 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:

Edit: The difference is the gals somtimes fight and the minnies run away.


That certainly explains when the Minnie/Amarr warzone is almost ENTIRELY Minmatar controlled. Yup, Minmatar just run.


Amarr just cry endlessly regardless of what's actually going on.

I remember not too long ago Colt died in a plex to our scout, the fight was over a good 20 seconds before any of the rest of the fleet arrived and he still managed to spend a good few minutes crying about blobs and dishonour in local.

Broken whinebot is broken.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#18 - 2013-03-28 16:58:41 UTC
The sovereignty warfare part of FW is not ideal (to say the least), but it has a few benefits:
1. Steady isk income for pvp habit
2. Leads to massive numbers of fights for players actually looking for fights
3. Sovereignty in "home systems" are determined by pvp'ers, not farmers.

So, not "completely broken." And yeah, I was preaching the same thing when Gallente were at Tier 1. Farmers are gonna farm, but their influence on our daily activities in FW can be managed.
Akai Kvaesir
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
#19 - 2013-03-28 17:11:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Akai Kvaesir
It shouldn't be possible for farmers to jump militias, or at least, it shouldn't be as easy as it is.

Edit: farming has nothing to do with a specific militia, it is a FW-wide problem, and the swarm of locusts only follows the most lucrative harvest.

Frogblast the Vent Core! When the W'rkncacnter came, Pthia was killed, and Yrro in anger, flung the W'rkncacnter into the sun. The sun burned them, but they swam on its surface.

Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-03-28 17:26:01 UTC
Akai Kvaesir wrote:


Edit: farming has nothing to do with a specific militia, it is a FW-wide problem, and the swarm of locusts only follows the most lucrative harvest.


Once you understand the locust analogy, it really isn't that bad. If you want the locusts on your side, you need to feed them (ie provide Tier-3 or Tier-4). If the locusts are against you, you need to deny them food. That can be done by crushing the other sides tier level or by losing all your non-defended systems.

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