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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#21 - 2013-03-27 09:36:41 UTC
Degren wrote:
Planetary Interaction should be like Sim Earth, so I don't have to keep alt tabbing to play Sim City.

Edit: Admit it, you got a little erect at the thought of it.

Edit: Then quickly softened back up when you realized how much effort would be involved in your ~pos fuels~


No, it quickly softened back up when you realized that while Tyrannis was an underwhelming expansion, you could easily end up in something like Sim City's DRM debacle.

Playing Sim City or other EA games is getting like a continuous kick in the balls.
Right now I can open almost any random window in this game I already fully paid for and I find a "if you spend MORE then we unlock this basic feature every game ever had as basic foundation since 1980".

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-03-27 09:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Arronicus
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Degren wrote:
Planetary Interaction should be like Sim Earth, so I don't have to keep alt tabbing to play Sim City.

Edit: Admit it, you got a little erect at the thought of it.

Edit: Then quickly softened back up when you realized how much effort would be involved in your ~pos fuels~


No, it quickly softened back up when you realized that while Tyrannis was an underwhelming expansion, you could easily end up in something like Sim City's DRM debacle.

Playing Sim City or other EA games is getting like a continuous kick in the balls.
Right now I can open almost any random window in this game I already fully paid for and I find a "if you spend MORE then we unlock this basic feature every game ever had as basic foundation since 1980".


That's because EA has introduced a new genre of games. Pay to free to play, or should I say, free to pay to play. Oh ho, see what I did there? Not only do you get to pay fully to play the game, but then they get to jew you with microtransactions too. Just so you don't feel like you're missing out. They even throw in crappy login servers, poor hosting, and lots of bugs to give things that true 'F2P feel'
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-03-27 10:34:37 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Because this is just another "nerf everywhere else than where I play" thread, in disguise.
Shocked I am shocked... I didn't see the 'disguise'.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#24 - 2013-03-27 10:36:16 UTC
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Because this is just another "nerf everywhere else than where I play" thread, in disguise.
Shocked I am shocked... I didn't see the 'disguise'.


Well the disguise is the proposal of a guy for CSM while "injecting" not so subliminal "nerf this" messages.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#25 - 2013-03-27 10:51:04 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Degren wrote:
Planetary Interaction should be like Sim Earth, so I don't have to keep alt tabbing to play Sim City.

Edit: Admit it, you got a little erect at the thought of it.

Edit: Then quickly softened back up when you realized how much effort would be involved in your ~pos fuels~


No, it quickly softened back up when you realized that while Tyrannis was an underwhelming expansion, you could easily end up in something like Sim City's DRM debacle.

Playing Sim City or other EA games is getting like a continuous kick in the balls.
Right now I can open almost any random window in this game I already fully paid for and I find a "if you spend MORE then we unlock this basic feature every game ever had as basic foundation since 1980".


That's because EA has introduced a new genre of games. Pay to free to play, or should I say, free to pay to play. Oh ho, see what I did there? Not only do you get to pay fully to play the game, but then they get to jew you with microtransactions too. Just so you don't feel like you're missing out. They even throw in crappy login servers, poor hosting, and lots of bugs to give things that true 'F2P feel'


Hopefully they will default and end in a pile of manure.

Subbed one MMO of them (they always charge AAA title fees for everything of course) and the abysmal support, lack of expansions, rampant unfixed exploits etc. totally ruined it.

Started SWTor to see how it looks like and while it's nothing new or revolutionary, it's a nice pass time.
Could even have shelled for a sub, after all I do have a dozen of subs spread across serveral MMOs I seldom play and would not care to add another.
But no, they have:

- hostile attitude. "You MUST be an hacker or an hacker-in-the-make so we impose all sorts of DRM on you and WILL inconvenience you in all the possible ways (see Sim City) till you'll REALLY give up, crack the game and really become an hacker, as we thought you were since the beginning".

Anyone see the circular idiocy in this EA reasonment?

- overly greedy. "2011 EvE: Greed is good?" Come on, CCP Hilmar is an hobbyst compared to EA.
You can't literally play the game, you can't open a single window without a corner reminding that you - full Deluxe box + pre order + AAA title subber - are still a poor piece of crap, you should buy more and MORE just to unlock the most basic features.

GW2 (yes I played most MMOs), a sub-less game entirely based on micro transactions asks for 1/10 of the money SWTOR asks whilst still requiring a sub (else you almost can't play, you can't even hold enough money to buy most level 50 useful items). GW2 won't gouge you for something as stupid as being able to post stuff on the auction house or just to be able to wear decent gear. GW2 won't forbid you to train 3 craft schools before you shell out additional money (still required for SWTOR even if you paid and became "preferred player".

EA are just terrible, a pall in the gaming industry (heavy handed approach to their studios), a pall in the business practices, a pall in the producer-consumer relations.

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Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-03-27 11:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mhax Arthie
Beckie DeLey wrote:
Felsusguy wrote:

And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm.


Who?

Thanks, but there's already a Goonswarm member with an industrial and marketeering agenda running. That guys going to ~10058~ the whole election anyways and is going to make all the relevant points already. No need for someone else on that front.

And whos the other guy? I saw only Unforgiven Storm involved in the indy front and he has a pretty serious and good agenda, the rest are just with the usual yadda yadda.

And I agree, EA (along Ubi) is the worst gaming company in the history. Never ever buy anything marked with their logo, they are the goons of the game industry :D
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-03-27 11:26:13 UTC
Arronicus wrote:

That's because EA has introduced a new genre of games. Pay to free to play, or should I say, free to pay to play. Oh ho, see what I did there? Not only do you get to pay fully to play the game, but then they get to jew you with microtransactions too. Just so you don't feel like you're missing out. They even throw in crappy login servers, poor hosting, and lots of bugs to give things that true 'F2P feel'


It's for Your own protection, so You don't spend to much time in front of Your PC, go out in a while, playing in the sun, jogging, picnic with Your girl.

See how much EA cares about You?

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#28 - 2013-03-27 11:28:23 UTC
Mhax Arthie wrote:
Beckie DeLey wrote:
[quote=Felsusguy]
And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm.


And I agree, EA (along Ubi) is the worst gaming company in the history. Never ever buy anything marked with their logo, they are the goons of the game industry :D


Goons are not stupid like EA / Ubi are.
They have their plans and are able to make them happen and tend to look more than one inch ahead of their wallet.

Said by someone who can be accused off everything except being a Goon fan.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#29 - 2013-03-27 12:28:57 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Mhax Arthie wrote:
Beckie DeLey wrote:
[quote=Felsusguy]
And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm.


And I agree, EA (along Ubi) is the worst gaming company in the history. Never ever buy anything marked with their logo, they are the goons of the game industry :D


Goons are not stupid like EA / Ubi are.
They have their plans and are able to make them happen and tend to look more than one inch ahead of their wallet.

Said by someone who can be accused off everything except being a Goon fan.


This is eve, we can accuse you of anything Cool

On topic -- yes, the points raised by the OP show things that can be (are) considered to be broken. However, the reasons why point more to "I want it better for me" than "I want it better overall"

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-03-27 12:41:31 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Mhax Arthie wrote:
Beckie DeLey wrote:
[quote=Felsusguy]
And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm.


And I agree, EA (along Ubi) is the worst gaming company in the history. Never ever buy anything marked with their logo, they are the goons of the game industry :D


Goons are not stupid like EA / Ubi are.
They have their plans and are able to make them happen and tend to look more than one inch ahead of their wallet.

Said by someone who can be accused off everything except being a Goon fan.

They are not stupid. A stupid cannot scam so many people for years without any consequences.

On the other hand, there are many idiots who actually can't stop getting scamed. I have a lot of friends who bought simcity5, even if I warned them that the so called MP/online play is nothing else than a cheap cover for their ****** DRM and a horrible gameplay, there is no multiplayer in that game just a faint illusion. Now they feel bad. Frak... next time you wanna buy a EA product, better donate your money to a childcare foundation, at least your money will get a good use and you will feel good.. or at least you should. Dont feed anymore those fat fuks.

Ok, now back on topic. The industry... yeah, it's important.
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#31 - 2013-03-27 13:03:03 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:
Industry. It's not for everyone. And for that reason, only a few realize how broken it really is. It's important to emphasize that industry is important and thus requires a great deal of attention to make sure it works. This attention has not been given, at least not in a proper amount. Some may brush off this message, christening it as the null words of a butthurt industrialist. This is not the case. I fully understand that there are more important mechanics in EVE, but CCP has given its attention to those (or tried to). CCP has not given its attention to industry for a while.

Industry affects everything. There is nothing out there left completely untouched by industry. As such, I will not try to list all things affected by industry, because that would be a very long and unnecessary list. There are so many faults in industry and so much room for improvement. We need to end this dark age and stop the stagnation. I call upon everyone, industrialist or not, to realize the importance of improving industry. Just to make my point, I will list just some of the faults found in this system.

  • Planetary Interaction - Risk free ISK for everyone. No effort beyond initial preparation.
  • Moon Mining - Nearly risk free ISK for the big power blocs. Little effort beyond initial preparation and fueling.
  • Datacore Farming - Risk free ISK for the altmongers. No effort beyond initial preparation.
  • Ice Harvesting - Inexhaustible source of ISK for miners. Little effort, just unload Ice periodically.
  • 50-Job Factory Stations - Minuscule demand for manufacturing slots in high-sec.
  • POS System - Too many problems to list. Pitiful wormhole industry and frustrating mechanics.

Of course, when I say risk free and talk about effort, I mean during the actual harvesting, not transportation. Transportation is never risk free for anything.

If you care about EVE, you must care about the industry of New Eden.

And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm.


Please shut the **** up, and come back when you have a better understanding of how things work.

That is all.

Idea
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-03-27 13:46:50 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:

  • Planetary Interaction - Risk free ISK for everyone. No effort beyond initial preparation.


    • If there was no effort involved, everyone would be doing it and prices would be through the floor. And ignoring the risk of transporting a good that is simply impossible to sell in situ is stupid.
    Beckie DeLey
    Garoun Investment Bank
    Gallente Federation
    #33 - 2013-03-27 16:16:38 UTC
    Mhax Arthie wrote:
    Beckie DeLey wrote:
    Felsusguy wrote:

    And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm.


    Who?

    Thanks, but there's already a Goonswarm member with an industrial and marketeering agenda running. That guys going to ~10058~ the whole election anyways and is going to make all the relevant points already. No need for someone else on that front.

    And whos the other guy?


    Oh dear.

    My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
    Captain Tardbar
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #34 - 2013-03-27 19:50:34 UTC
    So what I read from this thread is that you want the price of everything to skyrocket.

    Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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    YuuKnow
    The Scope
    #35 - 2013-03-28 04:04:50 UTC
    Felsusguy wrote:
    Industry. It's not for everyone. And for that reason, only a few realize how broken it really is. It's important to emphasize that industry is important and thus requires a great deal of attention to make sure it works. This attention has not been given, at least not in a proper amount. Some may brush off this message, christening it as the null words of a butthurt industrialist. This is not the case. I fully understand that there are more important mechanics in EVE, but CCP has given its attention to those (or tried to). CCP has not given its attention to industry for a while.

    Industry affects everything. There is nothing out there left completely untouched by industry. As such, I will not try to list all things affected by industry, because that would be a very long and unnecessary list. There are so many faults in industry and so much room for improvement. We need to end this dark age and stop the stagnation. I call upon everyone, industrialist or not, to realize the importance of improving industry. Just to make my point, I will list just some of the faults found in this system.

    • Planetary Interaction - Risk free ISK for everyone. No effort beyond initial preparation.
    • Moon Mining - Nearly risk free ISK for the big power blocs. Little effort beyond initial preparation and fueling.
    • Datacore Farming - Risk free ISK for the altmongers. No effort beyond initial preparation.
    • Ice Harvesting - Inexhaustible source of ISK for miners. Little effort, just unload Ice periodically.
    • 50-Job Factory Stations - Minuscule demand for manufacturing slots in high-sec.
    • POS System - Too many problems to list. Pitiful wormhole industry and frustrating mechanics.

    Of course, when I say risk free and talk about effort, I mean during the actual harvesting, not transportation. Transportation is never risk free for anything.

    If you care about EVE, you must care about the industry of New Eden.

    And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm.


    Not seeing anything in the ways of actual concrete ideas; rather, just meaningless rhetoric. Pretty much a symbol that the candidate has no real clue or vision of where the game should go. Just complaints.

    -1 unless there's something more concrete.

    yk
    Tesal
    #36 - 2013-03-28 06:39:48 UTC
    OP's candidate is a Goon, but other than that, he is totally trustworthy.
    Katran Luftschreck
    Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
    #37 - 2013-03-28 06:52:50 UTC
    Trusting a Goon with your CSM vote is right up there with trusting them with your credit card number.

    And, in a sense, it's kind of the same thing (unless you completely live off PLEX).

    http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
    Lady Areola Fappington
    #38 - 2013-03-28 07:12:13 UTC
    Katran Luftschreck wrote:
    Just keep in mind that when you pew-pew fanatics go cranking up the threat level to mining & industry the side effect is going to be less stuff for you to go pew-pew with and it's going to cost a lot more.

    If you bite the hand that feeds you then hunger is not far behind.


    I disagree. While some people, for whatever reason, cannot "do" pvp, industry itself is quite easy. It's all skillpoints, and using a calculator.

    Most PVPers don't mess with industry because there are industrialists to do it for them. If industrialists start leaving enough to impact PVP, then PVPers will throw down for an alt, train it up, then run industry jobs in the background while pewpewing.

    I daresay, many PVPers are already doing that to fund their 'splosion habits.

    7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
    Felsusguy
    Panopticon Engineering
    #39 - 2013-03-28 08:50:26 UTC
    Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
    Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
    Felsusguy wrote:
    Unforgiven Storm - "...Nullsec Industry needs to be revamped, it needs to become better than High Sec..."
    From your link.

    My question: why?


    Because this is just another "nerf everywhere else than where I play" thread, in disguise.

    No, I'm afraid not. Where do you think I live in New Eden, anyway?

    The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
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