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"Prometheus" Sequels Delayed....with Reasons (updated)
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#1 - 2013-03-27 20:45:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/61682


Article updated with link to Slashfilm now, and Lindelhof speaks.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#2 - 2013-03-27 20:54:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
So in a world with five American pie films, seven Saw movies and no less than six fast & furious films. Prometheus stops dead in its tracks after one film due to idea drought?

Just do like Macgyver and throw darts on a board with random ideas on it.

"Okay in this episode Macgyver.... **Disarms. an.. Atomic Bomb.... with....Darts and..... A tennis racket.. Brilliant. Let's roll with that.




**Yes That actually happened. Macgyver did disarm a nuke with darts and a tennis racket.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#3 - 2013-03-27 21:14:25 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
So in a world with five American pie films, seven Saw movies and no less than six fast & furious films. Prometheus stops dead in its tracks after one film due to idea drought?

I think they realised with who was going to watch it they needed something plausible.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#4 - 2013-03-27 21:21:28 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
So in a world with five American pie films, seven Saw movies and no less than six fast & furious films. Prometheus stops dead in its tracks after one film due to idea drought?


Hollywood likes extruded entertainment product. They don't like original ideas. Considering where Prometheus left off, you're going to need a couple nifty ideas to keep things moving. Which ought not be a problem. Except that we're talking about Hollywood.


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Just do like Macgyver and throw darts on a board with random ideas on it.

"Okay in this episode Macgyver.... **Disarms. an.. Atomic Bomb.... with....Darts and..... A tennis racket.. Brilliant. Let's roll with that.




**Yes That actually happened. Macgyver did disarm a nuke with darts and a tennis racket.
One of the reasons I stopped watching MacGyver. They flew with such wildly inaccurate ideas - ideas that 15-minute phone consult with a real engineer could have fixed - that I frequently had to restrain myself from bashing the set in. I don't need blood-pressure spikes like that, so I just stopped watching after about half a season.



Edit:
By the way - Didja see they're working on a new Mad Max film? Roll

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Slymah
DorpCorp
#5 - 2013-03-27 21:22:45 UTC
Pretty much whatever .. If they can make that many hundreds of millions of dollars from Prometheus I would imagine it doesn't really matter what they do with a sequel.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#6 - 2013-03-27 21:27:27 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Slymah wrote:
Pretty much whatever .. If they can make that many hundreds of millions of dollars from Prometheus I would imagine it doesn't really matter what they do with a sequel.
Iron Law of Sequels: All sequels make money except the last one.

Hollywood doesn't like to abandon a money-spinner, and the possible Prometheus franchise looks like the bassis of a lot of free-flowing cash. That they're stalled over a little bit of writers block, despite all of the writers available, suggests something else is going on - Like an ego clash. Or control over the $$.

Edit:
Or maybe institutional fear of original thinking.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#7 - 2013-03-27 21:28:22 UTC
This is partly why I like series like Game of Thrones, and quite a few anime, because they build in intertwining arcs to a climax. The story itself is the entire series or season, as opposed to episodes farmed out to writers. Many of them seem not to have read the others, either because they were worked on at the same time or they never watehd the previous 100 episodes or so.

Case in point I watched an episode of the Simpsons for the first time in years a few weeks ago (the news ones). It had Abe Simspon (Grandpa) as an old wrestler, whose number one fan... was Monty Burns. First thing into my head was that they already had a dynamic that was antagonistic established... over a decade ago.

Please just let the Simpsons die, it isn't funny anymore Cry

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#8 - 2013-03-27 21:30:29 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
This is partly why I like series like Game of Thrones, and quite a few anime, because they build in intertwining arcs to a climax. The story itself is the entire series or season, as opposed to episodes farmed out to writers. Many of them seem not to have read the others, either because they were worked on at the same time or they never watehd the previous 100 episodes or so.

Case in point I watched an episode of the Simpsons for the first time in years a few weeks ago (the news ones). It had Abe Simspon (Grandpa) as an old wrestler, whose number one fan... was Monty Burns. First thing into my head was that they already had a dynamic that was antagonistic established... over a decade ago.

Please just let the Simpsons die, it isn't funny anymore Cry
Series senility is inevitable. When did they jump the shark for you?

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Onyx Nyx
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#9 - 2013-03-27 21:56:18 UTC
Hm.. I hoped that one of the reasons to the delay was that the first movie was ****.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2013-03-27 21:57:34 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
So in a world with five American pie films, seven Saw movies and no less than six fast & furious films. Prometheus stops dead in its tracks after one film due to idea drought?




And then one ironically finds cases like "Alien 3" that even had a stack of 30 scripts literally a foot high (one by William Gibson unused)......and it still wound up being a big bad ball of hoakum.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#11 - 2013-03-27 23:58:11 UTC
The more script writers and script doctors involved, past a certain point, the higher the odds of a stinker. I suspect the magic number is '5 or less.' If you go over 10, you probably need to just drop the project.

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#12 - 2013-03-28 02:06:55 UTC
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Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-03-28 02:09:14 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:



And then one ironically finds cases like "Alien 3" that even had a stack of 30 scripts literally a foot high (one by William Gibson unused)......and it still wound up being a big bad ball of hoakum.


I quite liked Alien 3, but the cinematic release version was a totally different film to the extended cut. The extended cut made much more sense and actually had... *gasp* character development and some plot above kill it with fire.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2013-03-28 02:13:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Jago Kain wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:



And then one ironically finds cases like "Alien 3" that even had a stack of 30 scripts literally a foot high (one by William Gibson unused)......and it still wound up being a big bad ball of hoakum.


I quite liked Alien 3, but the cinematic release version was a totally different film to the extended cut. The extended cut made much more sense and actually had... *gasp* character development and some plot above kill it with fire.



Honestly in my 48 years I have seen a lot of movies, but I have never NEVER seen such an angry p***ed off audience walking out after the movie was over as at "Alien 3". People were positively seething with anger.

Edit: Getting rid of Newt and Michael Biehn's character so coldly during the opening credits seriously rubbed people the wrong way after the emotional investment in "Aliens". Seriously, what a rip off.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#15 - 2013-03-28 03:32:34 UTC
3 was meh and 4 is a red headed bastard child. What they created was an abomination there.

As for Prometheus I thought it was semi decent, and I also feel the same way as I do with The Matrix. First one was great and left on a good note that left some options open, then the next 2 just drug it through the mud. Prometheus did the same thing and they should leave it right where its at; just set it down and slowly walk away from the project while they still can. Not every movie out there needs nth sequels.

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Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
#16 - 2013-03-28 07:22:44 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
So in a world with five American pie films, seven Saw movies and no less than six fast & furious films. Prometheus stops dead in its tracks after one film due to idea drought?


Well, look at those films you mentioned:

American Pie -- high-school friends graduate. High-school friends get together at a lake house and reminisce. High-school friends propose to their girlfriends -- and reminisce. High-school friends get married --and reminisce.

Saw -- murderer ties people up and tortures them. Saw 2 -- different murdered ties people up and tortures them. Saw 3 -- protege of the original murderer...ties people up and tortures them.

Fast and the Furious -- cop befriends crook to infiltrate gang. Cop goes to Tokyo to infiltrate gang. Cop goes bad, finds old friend from first gang, and fights with another gang. Cop and friend find out that an old gang friend is still alive. Vin Diesel growls a lot (which is actually pretty cool, now that I think about it...)

It's not so much 'idea drought', as it is good idea drought. Honestly, there are some ideas that should not become films (anyone remember the Mario Brothers movie?), and with the 'name value' Prometheus carries with it, I'm pretty sure they want a sequel to be done right.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#17 - 2013-03-28 10:14:54 UTC
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:


It's not so much 'idea drought', as it is good idea drought. Honestly, there are some ideas that should not become films (anyone remember the Mario Brothers movie?), and with the 'name value' Prometheus carries with it, I'm pretty sure they want a sequel to be done right.


The problem is the education system is so bad people don't know great from crap, and just want to be distracted by the fastest moving thing in their environment like apes.

They don't want to use their thinker too hard. It hurts to do that ya' know ?

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Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-03-28 11:26:49 UTC
Onyx Nyx wrote:
Hm.. I hoped that one of the reasons to the delay was that the first movie was ****.

Not entirely ****, just... fragmented.

I was confused the entire time, thinking:

"How do you know this?" and: "Why are you doing that?"

I felt like I was watching something unfinished, a first draft, if you will.

...

And yeah, nowadays something is only "right" when it generates oodles of cash.
This means catering to the current ADD generation.

The few people who still like to engage their brains every now and then (be it watching movies, or playing games) are left in the cold. Sad
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#19 - 2013-03-28 13:39:55 UTC
Frank Millar wrote:
Onyx Nyx wrote:
Hm.. I hoped that one of the reasons to the delay was that the first movie was ****.

Not entirely ****, just... fragmented.

I was confused the entire time, thinking:

"How do you know this?" and: "Why are you doing that?"

I felt like I was watching something unfinished, a first draft, if you will.

...

And yeah, nowadays something is only "right" when it generates oodles of cash.
This means catering to the current ADD generation.

The few people who still like to engage their brains every now and then (be it watching movies, or playing games) are left in the cold. Sad



"Prometheus" was like I said, a whole lot of good mixed with a whole lot of silly (would that biologist seriously have been 'playful' with the infamous space-cobra in real life ? I think not).

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#20 - 2013-03-28 15:16:45 UTC
After the update, Lindelof seems obsolved. The rest of the critiques stand - especially as no one here was pointing fingers at Lindelof that I could see.

Basically: Hollywood sux, and hates it when good ideas eascape into distribution, even ones that they created.

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