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Yoshiko Lia Shigeko
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-03-27 18:01:01 UTC
Theoretical question: You open 2 new accounts from scratch with the sole purpose of making tens of billions of ISK without playing the market - what method do you choose and how do you plan to achieve this?
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#2 - 2013-03-27 18:13:57 UTC
Espionage and infiltration leading to corporate/alliance theft. Only good way to make tens of billions.

You could try scamming or fake MD IPOs/plans, where you're not really playing the market. Some individuals have been successful without too much rep grinding. There is precedence of even a new character pulling it off, but this may be difficult in the current environment.

Isn't it a little unfair to pose this question in MD?

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Yoshiko Lia Shigeko
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-03-27 18:20:52 UTC
I'd like to add legitimate means to the prerequisites.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#4 - 2013-03-27 18:28:41 UTC
Eh.... I once had 3 miner alts supported by a hauler alt but they ate 4 plexes a month and they where not mining back those 2 billion ISK. Not even close.

Plus managing them ate into my nullsec pew pew time which was just unacceptable.

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Eliram Kahoudi
Big Fluffy Bunnies
#5 - 2013-03-27 18:34:07 UTC
theft is a legitimate way of making money in this game.

If you are against it though WH and FW would be your best fastest bet. FW with low skill
Eliana Eros
Sentinel Event
Hatakani Trade Winds Combine
#6 - 2013-03-27 18:42:23 UTC
Eliram Kahoudi wrote:
theft is a legitimate way of making money in this game.

If you are against it though WH and FW would be your best fastest bet. FW with low skill


Have one farm Lp and the other be a pirate that attacks opposing militia when the attack your farmer.

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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#7 - 2013-03-27 18:47:18 UTC
You're asking how to make tens of billions of ISK without going against your morals or playing the market, on Market Discussions. You also haven't given a time frame to make this ISK, a noob in a Venture could make 10 billion ISK given enough time.

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Samroski
Middle-Earth
#8 - 2013-03-27 19:04:38 UTC
As corp espionage and theft is a legitimate means of making ISK, here is my more detailed plan:

Make 6 new characters in the space of a month or two. Have different log in times for all. Make them join some corps and get a bit of history going.

One by one, infiltrate the target corp. Do subtle praise of your alts, when appropriate. Make sure each alt has a different personality and play and communication style. The one closest to the inner circle should be extra altruistic.

At this stage, 5 of your alts should start a subtle campaign to make the 6th (altruistic) one a director. Get more (real) people involved, and hey! Tens of billions :)

Ok, so the plan is not brilliant or innovative, but the best plans are the ones that work :)

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Eve Amada
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-03-27 19:45:22 UTC
Samroski wrote:
As corp espionage and theft is a legitimate means of making ISK, here is my more detailed plan:

Make 6 new characters in the space of a month or two. Have different log in times for all. Make them join some corps and get a bit of history going.

One by one, infiltrate the target corp. Do subtle praise of your alts, when appropriate. Make sure each alt has a different personality and play and communication style. The one closest to the inner circle should be extra altruistic.

At this stage, 5 of your alts should start a subtle campaign to make the 6th (altruistic) one a director. Get more (real) people involved, and hey! Tens of billions :)

Ok, so the plan is not brilliant or innovative, but the best plans are the ones that work :)


What happens when the CEO wants to talk to all six of those alts on comms? Do you use a voice mixer? or just change you voice yourself?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#10 - 2013-03-27 20:03:29 UTC
Yoshiko Lia Shigeko wrote:
I'd like to add legitimate means to the prerequisites.


In what way were his suggestions illegitimate?

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Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-03-27 20:41:13 UTC
Yoshiko Lia Shigeko wrote:
Theoretical question: You open 2 new accounts from scratch with the sole purpose of making tens of billions of ISK without playing the market - what method do you choose and how do you plan to achieve this?

A few questions,

Why are you asking this on the market discussions subforum if you don't want use the market to make tens of billions?

What time frame are you looking at? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades?

Since things like awoxing, corp thefts, and scamming are legitimate means of gaining wealth in EVE could you be more specific as to what you, personally, would not be willing to do?
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#12 - 2013-03-27 21:32:56 UTC
Eve Amada wrote:
Samroski wrote:
As corp espionage and theft is a legitimate means of making ISK, here is my more detailed plan:

Make 6 new characters in the space of a month or two. Have different log in times for all. Make them join some corps and get a bit of history going.

One by one, infiltrate the target corp. Do subtle praise of your alts, when appropriate. Make sure each alt has a different personality and play and communication style. The one closest to the inner circle should be extra altruistic.

At this stage, 5 of your alts should start a subtle campaign to make the 6th (altruistic) one a director. Get more (real) people involved, and hey! Tens of billions :)

Ok, so the plan is not brilliant or innovative, but the best plans are the ones that work :)


What happens when the CEO wants to talk to all six of those alts on comms? Do you use a voice mixer? or just change you voice yourself?

The 6 alts are on 2 accounts. One character from each account is Australian/Japanese (whichever language/accent you can muster), one from each account is European, again language may be the deciding factor, and then there are 2 Americans. It all works out if you know a couple of languages, or are good with accents, or have mastered the options in Eve voice.

Also, best to infiltrate a corp where voice comms do not play a vital role in the daily grind.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-03-27 22:54:57 UTC
Build it .... and he will come .

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Yoshiko Lia Shigeko
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-03-27 23:53:33 UTC
'Legitimate' is synonymous with 'lawful' or 'ethical'. Whilst scamming/thieving complies with the EULA, I doubt this would be the case with the laws of New Eden, should they be enforced. I simply mean methods that don't involve a complete lack of moral compass.

"A little thought and a little kindness are often worth more than a great deal of money." - John Ruskin

Regarding time scales, I had no specific one in mind, I was merely trying to ascertain the most efficient ways of ISK acquisition in any given ISK/hr scale.

Nevertheless, thanks for your suggestions.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#15 - 2013-03-28 00:04:38 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Yoshiko Lia Shigeko wrote:
'Legitimate' is synonymous with 'lawful' or 'ethical'. Whilst scamming/thieving complies with the EULA, I doubt this would be the case with the laws of New Eden, should they be enforced. I simply mean methods that don't involve a complete lack of moral compass.

"A little thought and a little kindness are often worth more than a great deal of money." - John Ruskin

Regarding time scales, I had no specific one in mind, I was merely trying to ascertain the most efficient ways of ISK acquisition in any given ISK/hr scale.

Nevertheless, thanks for your suggestions.


The Laws of New Eden (as pertaining to the DemiGod-esque Capsuleers) are entirely contained within the EULA/TOS and the Game Mechanics.


And asking an entirely unbounded question is not going to produce any good answers, so here's mine:
Civilian Mining Lasor Velators mining Spod will eventually earn you 10s of Billions of ISK.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Yoshiko Lia Shigeko
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-03-28 00:09:52 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Yoshiko Lia Shigeko wrote:
'Legitimate' is synonymous with 'lawful' or 'ethical'. Whilst scamming/thieving complies with the EULA, I doubt this would be the case with the laws of New Eden, should they be enforced. I simply mean methods that don't involve a complete lack of moral compass.

"A little thought and a little kindness are often worth more than a great deal of money." - John Ruskin

Regarding time scales, I had no specific one in mind, I was merely trying to ascertain the most efficient ways of ISK acquisition in any given ISK/hr scale.

Nevertheless, thanks for your suggestions.


The Laws of New Eden (as pertaining to the DemiGod-esque Capsuleers) are entirely contained within the EULA/TOS and the Game Mechanics.


And asking an entirely unbounded question is not going to produce any good answers, so here's mine:
Civilian Mining Lasor Velators mining Spod will eventually earn you 10s of Billions of ISK.


I'll be sure to keep my eyes peeled for a -5 pedanticism implant in my travels and contract it to you upon retrieval.
Minmat Sebtin
House of Sebtin
#17 - 2013-03-28 02:31:00 UTC
Yoshiko Lia Shigeko wrote:
Theoretical question: You open 2 new accounts from scratch with the sole purpose of making tens of billions of ISK without playing the market - what method do you choose and how do you plan to achieve this?



You could do manufactuing if you don't count that as playing the market. Failing that do you have a skillset that is useful to the metagame like making websites, forums, and killboards?

Are you an Industrialist who uses large amounts of Construction Components? Looking for ways to reduce costs? Then I can help you!
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#18 - 2013-03-28 02:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Alex Grison
Yoshiko Lia Shigeko wrote:
Theoretical question: You open 2 new accounts from scratch with the sole purpose of making tens of billions of ISK without playing the market - what method do you choose and how do you plan to achieve this?


Train supercapital pilots and sell them.

One account bringing in money, the other training.

yes
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#19 - 2013-03-28 03:33:06 UTC
yeh character sales are the way, given your framework, however, you'll need moolah for the books.

Idiots pay stupid amounts for SP, find a niche and train into it. (freighter alt, orca alt, hulk pilot or tengu etc)

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Jaq Royale
Royale Strategic Imperative
#20 - 2013-03-28 05:24:20 UTC
post on MD forum about how to make money with out using the market
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