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Is "Blue Donut" Misleading?
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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2013-03-27 09:13:27 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
0/10





Come on thats at least 1/20

Hello, hello again.
Anunzi
Solace Corp
#82 - 2013-03-27 10:33:49 UTC

Isayeki Ohaya wrote:
As we all know, there is no real PVP going on in null. However, a donut seems to imply there is an area in the middle where there is conflict, or real PVP, or something going on. However, the middle is hisec, which is even more blue than null. I propose the term "Blue Cookie" to reflect how essentially all of Eve is blue to each other. This accurately reflects how there is no real PVP anymore, and how everyone gets a cookie for playing in the form or SRP from their moon goo.



I actually live in null on all my main characters, we get fights everyday, almost every hour. To me the term is amusing as it has no resemblance to what I see in my day to day EvEings.

Keep on drinking Riverinis kool aid though, don’t let facts get in the way of his vision.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#83 - 2013-03-27 11:53:36 UTC
Carrelle Rouppon wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Carrelle Rouppon wrote:
*cough* SOLAR vs N3 *cough*

This is currently the only war.



Er, no it isn't


Sure it is, the rest of null-sec is HBC and/or CFC.


2 entities who are, er.... not blue to each other?

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Anunzi
Solace Corp
#84 - 2013-03-27 12:33:25 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Carrelle Rouppon wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Carrelle Rouppon wrote:
*cough* SOLAR vs N3 *cough*

This is currently the only war.



Er, no it isn't


Sure it is, the rest of null-sec is HBC and/or CFC.


2 entities who are, er.... not blue to each other?



Yeah, that’s just one of those inconvenient facts that the tinfoil brigade here like to ignore.

:popcorn:

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#85 - 2013-03-27 12:41:43 UTC
Anunzi wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Carrelle Rouppon wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Carrelle Rouppon wrote:
*cough* SOLAR vs N3 *cough*

This is currently the only war.



Er, no it isn't


Sure it is, the rest of null-sec is HBC and/or CFC.


2 entities who are, er.... not blue to each other?



Yeah, that’s just one of those inconvenient facts that the tinfoil brigade here like to ignore.

:popcorn:


lol, we can't let FACTS get in the way of good tinfoil hattery. I don't which is why every time I'm in Querious or Delve and I see goons in local, I just keep ratting because, Blue Donut will save me. The forums said so.
Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#86 - 2013-03-27 13:58:40 UTC
The blue donut shows how good some people in this game are at diplomacy. If we ever make 1st contact with an alien race (for real!), we could have The Mittani as our head representative. Surely, is diplomatic talents would lead into a peaceful relation with said aliens. This would help us become blue to them (if it happens). Big smile
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#87 - 2013-03-27 14:43:30 UTC
Random Majere wrote:
The blue donut shows how good some people in this game are at diplomacy. If we ever make 1st contact with an alien race (for real!), we could have The Mittani as our head representative. Surely, is diplomatic talents would lead into a peaceful relation with said aliens. This would help us become blue to them (if it happens). Big smile


If that ever happened he'd need to keep away from any form of intoxicating substance to keep his inner derplord at bay.

OP, yah "Blue Donut" is a little misleading since a quick look at this reveals a small bite removed in the easterly direction.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2013-03-27 14:47:44 UTC
Random Majere wrote:
The blue donut shows how good some people in this game are at diplomacy. If we ever make 1st contact with an alien race (for real!), we could have The Mittani as our head representative. Surely, is diplomatic talents would lead into a peaceful relation with said aliens. This would help us become blue to them (if it happens). Big smile

yea, last FanFest have shown precisely Mittani's diplomatic skills Lol

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Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#89 - 2013-03-27 14:54:40 UTC
Also, just looking at the front page of DOTLAN, clicking on a few of the sov null regions and selecting sov changes, more often not, returns the following result;

Quote:
No sovereignty changes occured in March 2013


That's not a healthy result for a game, but pretty cosy for the sitting tenants ofcourseBlink
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2013-03-27 15:02:01 UTC
Anunzi wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Carrelle Rouppon wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Carrelle Rouppon wrote:
*cough* SOLAR vs N3 *cough*

This is currently the only war.



Er, no it isn't


Sure it is, the rest of null-sec is HBC and/or CFC.


2 entities who are, er.... not blue to each other?



Yeah, that’s just one of those inconvenient facts that the tinfoil brigade here like to ignore.

:popcorn:



I can't find any updates concerning this, but what side is taking over who's sov? I mean it is a sov war right? Or just not allies?

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Dash Bishop
Doomheim
#91 - 2013-03-27 15:06:04 UTC
Serious question. No trolling.

Why is everyone so enamored with what goes on in null sec?

It seems like every other post on the forum is about RMT, blue doughnuts, who's fighting who, who isn't fighting who, drama played out on internal forums, blogs from 3rd party sources. What is the obsession with null? As far as I can tell, this is supposed to be the "end game" of EVE. At least it was intended that way, to be the pinnacle of what this game is about. Instead it all reads like a cheap dime store novel.

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Alara IonStorm
#92 - 2013-03-27 15:07:59 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
Also, just looking at the front page of DOTLAN, clicking on a few of the sov null regions and selecting sov changes, more often not, returns the following result;

Quote:
No sovereignty changes occured in March 2013


That's not a healthy result for a game, but pretty cosy for the sitting tenants ofcourseBlink

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/sovereignty
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#93 - 2013-03-27 15:12:17 UTC
5 pages blah blah

what I think: there's plenty of skirmishes and pvp in null, but the big conflicts over space have dried up because of the massive coalitions and unwillingness to ~risk~ things

imo wormholes, or at least the way they were a month or two ago before I took a Real Life™ break, were much more interesting on that front
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#94 - 2013-03-27 15:13:32 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
Also, just looking at the front page of DOTLAN, clicking on a few of the sov null regions and selecting sov changes, more often not, returns the following result;

Quote:
No sovereignty changes occured in March 2013


That's not a healthy result for a game, but pretty cosy for the sitting tenants ofcourseBlink


In order to make the conclusions you are jumping to, you'd have to have information that this is somehow new.

It isn't.

Null sec has gone through stages of stability and instability the entire time EVE has existed. Look back at the old Northern Coalition. Look at the pre-drone poo nerf Drone Regions etc etc.

Null Sec has been the same regardless of who has owned whatever parts of it, and was the same even when the SOV system was totally different. What's different now is that 2 huge pwoer bocls are at least sparring with each other, killing ships and driving the EVE online market to replace what is being destroyed.

The most ironic thing is that the high sec carebears (mining and building ships and trading in LP for stuff pvpr's need) laughing the most about blue donuts are the ones making all the "Blue Dough" being generated by Goons and TEST shooting at each other.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2013-03-27 15:16:43 UTC
Jenn don't forget the FW and RvB LP farms too.

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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-03-27 16:53:31 UTC
Dash Bishop wrote:
Serious question. No trolling.

Why is everyone so enamored with what goes on in null sec?

It seems like every other post on the forum is about RMT, blue doughnuts, who's fighting who, who isn't fighting who, drama played out on internal forums, blogs from 3rd party sources. What is the obsession with null? As far as I can tell, this is supposed to be the "end game" of EVE. At least it was intended that way, to be the pinnacle of what this game is about. Instead it all reads like a cheap dime store novel.


The term "End Game" implies some pinnacle of progression, that every player should aspire to become involved in.

That's not what Null is. That's not how eve works. It's a matter of scope. That's where the large organizations forge their own world to play in as they see fit. It's the place for massive fleets that make the server cry tears of lag and a vast political scene. Smaller organizations hide and thrive in other parts of space, having their own "end game" that in no way involves null.

If you want to call it "End Game" content then CFC/HBC has "finished" the game. Just like large, cutting edge organizations in every other MMO. Who go into farm mode, once they have beaten the available content. Then screw around on main-funded alts and wait for the release of the next expansion.

Why is any of this surprising to so many people?

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Dash Bishop
Doomheim
#97 - 2013-03-27 17:10:47 UTC
Georgina Parmala wrote:
If you want to call it "End Game" content then CFC/HBC has "finished" the game. Just like large, cutting edge organizations in every other MMO. Who go into farm mode, once they have beaten the available content. Then screw around on main-funded alts and wait for the release of the next expansion.


That pretty much sums it up.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-03-27 17:49:12 UTC
The funny thing is that we've been more active lately than in the past. The constant moon/sov wars in 2012 (Branch sov war, Branch/Venal moon war, Tenal sov war, Delve war, another Venal moon war, Tribute war) only bred burnout. After the liberation of Tribute and Vale, the vast majority of the CFC was content to do sub-bloc level deployments to different parts of the map. The huge fights that make the news are great to read about, but not that fun to engage in once TiDi kicks in, sadly.

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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#99 - 2013-03-28 14:29:20 UTC
There is this place called lowsec.

It's where people who don't suck **** at this game live.

try it sometime.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2013-03-28 14:52:24 UTC
Chandaris wrote:
There is this place called lowsec.

It's where people who don't suck **** at this game live.

try it sometime.

after 1 month of visiting low-sec i still don't see any reasons to actually LIVE there. Visit it for pew-pew is Ok. Trading? Maybe too.
But living there? Why? What for? Still isn't clear for me....Roll

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