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Will training Galente Cruiser LVL3 now allow me to 'exploit' the upcoming BC skill changes?
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Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-03-26 21:20:54 UTC
What you are getting is a more expensive clone.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-03-26 21:57:45 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
Yes, the new skills will have lower multipliers and will be easier to train.

No, they won't.

Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Seems I'll be the only person to avoid this.

Why? Because you want more skills to train later?

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Grayson Cole
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-03-26 21:58:58 UTC
We needed another thread for this.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#24 - 2013-03-26 22:07:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Why? Because you want more skills to train later?


No because I am never going to fly a battlecruiser.


So instead of spending 35 days on a skill I'm not going to use. I will instead spend those 35 days on skills I am going to use.

Seems like a good plan and it helps keep my clone prices down.

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Doomheim
#25 - 2013-03-26 22:14:03 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Why? Because you want more skills to train later?


No because I am never going to fly a battlecruiser.


So instead of spending 35 days on a skill I'm not going to use. I will instead spend those 35 days on skills I am going to use.

Seems like a good plan and it helps keep my clone prices down.



The voices say that you will train it, because eventually you'll want to fly them....Cool


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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-03-26 22:19:15 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Why? Because you want more skills to train later?


No because I am never going to fly a battlecruiser.


So instead of spending 35 days on a skill I'm not going to use. I will instead spend those 35 days on skills I am going to use.

Seems like a good plan and it helps keep my clone prices down.

Barring of course the possibility that you may change your mind.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#27 - 2013-03-27 14:52:11 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Why? Because you want more skills to train later?


No because I am never going to fly a battlecruiser.


So instead of spending 35 days on a skill I'm not going to use. I will instead spend those 35 days on skills I am going to use.

Seems like a good plan and it helps keep my clone prices down.

Barring of course the possibility that you may change your mind.



Well if your advice is to train for a month into something that I have no interest in just because I "might" change my mind one day then I have a few million SP worth of planet management skills that I need to introduce you too. Might change your mind one day after all.

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bufnitza calatoare
#28 - 2013-03-27 14:57:31 UTC
rather have the sp pool hat you get if you don't meet requirements.
bufnitza calatoare
#29 - 2013-03-27 14:58:34 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Why? Because you want more skills to train later?


No because I am never going to fly a battlecruiser.


So instead of spending 35 days on a skill I'm not going to use. I will instead spend those 35 days on skills I am going to use.

Seems like a good plan and it helps keep my clone prices down.



soooo only cruisers class and below at best?
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#30 - 2013-03-27 15:39:07 UTC
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Why? Because you want more skills to train later?


No because I am never going to fly a battlecruiser.


So instead of spending 35 days on a skill I'm not going to use. I will instead spend those 35 days on skills I am going to use.

Seems like a good plan and it helps keep my clone prices down.



soooo only cruisers class and below at best?


Plan:

Tackler frigate
T1 Logistics(now)
Tackler Cruiser (23 days left)
T2 Logistics (about 138 days left)
Carrier (about 360 days left)
Master the Carrier 2-3 years or so maybe.


In between that I might also learn blockade running and covert ops scanning for sites.

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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#31 - 2013-03-27 15:46:21 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:


No because I am never going to fly a battlecruiser.


So instead of spending 35 days on a skill I'm not going to use. I will instead spend those 35 days on skills I am going to use.

Seems like a good plan and it helps keep my clone prices down

Plan:

Tackler frigate
T1 Logistics(now)
Tackler Cruiser (23 days left)
T2 Logistics (about 138 days left)
Carrier (about 360 days left)
Master the Carrier 2-3 years or so maybe.


In between that I might also learn blockade running and covert ops scanning for sites.



I'd read the Devblog. You will need to train (racial) battlecruiser in order to get into carriers. Unless you quickly get into one now before the changes.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#32 - 2013-03-27 15:51:16 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:


No because I am never going to fly a battlecruiser.


So instead of spending 35 days on a skill I'm not going to use. I will instead spend those 35 days on skills I am going to use.

Seems like a good plan and it helps keep my clone prices down

Plan:

Tackler frigate
T1 Logistics(now)
Tackler Cruiser (23 days left)
T2 Logistics (about 138 days left)
Carrier (about 360 days left)
Master the Carrier 2-3 years or so maybe.


In between that I might also learn blockade running and covert ops scanning for sites.



I'd read the Devblog. You will need to train (racial) battlecruiser in order to get into carriers. Unless you quickly get into one now before the changes.


I have read it. I have no problem with doing Amarr battle cruiser 3 on the way to the Carrier.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#33 - 2013-03-27 16:07:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Personally, I can´t wait for the tears from the guys who


  • STILL will be caught completely by surprise by those changes, more than a year after they were first announced, and those that

  • forgot to update their clones.



It will be like Incarna.

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Callic Veratar
#34 - 2013-03-27 16:52:25 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
It will be like Incarna.


The few hundred people who didn't notice might feel that way. The rest of us will be able to call them idiots and tell them to pay attention.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-03-27 16:57:15 UTC
Darzia Bien wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Darzia Bien wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Uh, that's not exploitative at all, because that's exactly what you get now if you train the skill. You're not getting anything new.


I think the reason he's asking is because, IIRC, the level requirement for cruisers is going down from 4 to 3. So if you only train cruisers to 3, you CAN'T fly the battlecruisers now, but you would, supposedly, be able to fly them then.


I'm talking about the gaining of an entire LVL 5 and all the corresponding SP that will bring - I assume it isn't going to count as a '0 SP' skill if you qualify for it when the changes come around?

EDIT: In fact, in my case 3 LVL 5 skills.

Yeah, assuming you get the full "reimbursement" you get 6,144,000 SP, but so what? You're not getting anything that you didn't already have before, technically. The only real difference is that you won't have to retrain skills to fly the ships you currently can, and your clone might cost more than it does now.


I'm getting SP that people who later start the game won't - they will have to train them like we did. Assuming the skills will still have the same multiplier, we're talking 20-25 days to train it depending on implants - PER LVL 5. Three of them.

I haven't read the blog in detail, it may be the case that the skills will actually have a lower multiplier and as such are quicker to train?


I think you are overthinking this.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#36 - 2013-03-27 17:17:03 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:


I think you are overthinking this.


confirmed.

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Doctor Ape MD
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-03-27 17:17:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ape MD
Darzia Bien wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Darzia Bien wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Uh, that's not exploitative at all, because that's exactly what you get now if you train the skill. You're not getting anything new.


I think the reason he's asking is because, IIRC, the level requirement for cruisers is going down from 4 to 3. So if you only train cruisers to 3, you CAN'T fly the battlecruisers now, but you would, supposedly, be able to fly them then.


I'm talking about the gaining of an entire LVL 5 and all the corresponding SP that will bring - I assume it isn't going to count as a '0 SP' skill if you qualify for it when the changes come around?

EDIT: In fact, in my case 3 LVL 5 skills.

Yeah, assuming you get the full "reimbursement" you get 6,144,000 SP, but so what? You're not getting anything that you didn't already have before, technically. The only real difference is that you won't have to retrain skills to fly the ships you currently can, and your clone might cost more than it does now.


I'm getting SP that people who later start the game won't - they will have to train them like we did. Assuming the skills will still have the same multiplier, we're talking 20-25 days to train it depending on implants - PER LVL 5. Three of them.

I haven't read the blog in detail, it may be the case that the skills will actually have a lower multiplier and as such are quicker to train?



You are definitely overthinking this. All of those extra SP don't allow you to do anything you couldn't already do.

Read this dev blog

People who are new to the game will have to train each of them individually, this is true, but there are many other things that are changing to make things easier for newer players as well.

For instance, new characters will only have to train to 3 to move on to the next ship type instead of training to level 4 in a ship type they are not interested in. Also, All tech 2 ships requiring skill training conditions from other tech 2 ships will be cut. This will make it easier for new pilots to get into some T2 ships.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-03-28 16:11:54 UTC
I had a hard time making myself train galente cruiser skill because most galente ships look like butt. I finally caved because the myrm looks neat.

I have a frigate/destroyer pilot who's not going to be training battle cruisers though. If he ever maxes out frigates/destroyers he's getting moved to another account and I'm closing that one.
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
#39 - 2013-03-28 20:01:42 UTC
How can it be an exploit if CCP has been encouraging everyone for some time to train up these skills in order to gain from the policy?

When they first mentioned "if you can fly it now, you'll be able to fly it then" they said everyone should train up now to get free SPs.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
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#40 - 2013-03-28 20:07:55 UTC
Why are you questioning it?!? They're handing out level 5 skills!

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