These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Science & Industry

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Alliance not able to use POS's Corp Hanger/Maint Array?
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
asteroidjas
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#1 - 2013-03-26 15:30:30 UTC
So, since apparently i'm not allowed to post any new topics in the "corporation" section of these forums, i figured this was the next best place.

I'm currently trying to set a tower of mine to allow alliance members access to the Corp Hanger and Maints Array. However, after setting the arrays to "Alliance" for "Take & View", it is still giving me the msg saying they don't have access b/c they aren't in the same corp.

Is there something i am missing? Or is this just how this has been since CCP messed stuff up with inventory and roles?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#2 - 2013-03-26 15:42:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
POS Arrays only work for the owning Corporation and its members only. Period.



edit: or anything else involving the POS.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
asteroidjas
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#3 - 2013-03-26 15:51:28 UTC
There why is there even an "alliance" option in the "view" and "take" fields? I'm pretty sure it used to work.

With another few session changes i got the Maint Array to work for me, but Corp Hanger is still not allowing.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2013-03-26 15:54:11 UTC
asteroidjas wrote:
There why is there even an "alliance" option in the "view" and "take" fields? I'm pretty sure it used to work.

With another few session changes i got the Maint Array to work for me, but Corp Hanger is still not allowing.



According to my old alliance leader when I asked the same thing 2 years ago, it has never worked. It's one of the oversights and part of a huge list of things that need fixing about POS's.

Feel free to search the many many threads about that.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#5 - 2013-03-26 15:55:38 UTC
asteroidjas wrote:


With another few session changes i got the Maint Array to work for me, but Corp Hanger is still not allowing.



You must have the proper roles for that. If you are CEO you should have all roles. If not, select them. And the roles must be assigned in most of those dropdown menus as well.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
asteroidjas
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#6 - 2013-03-26 15:59:46 UTC
*facedesk*

Yes, both characters i'm trying this with are both CEO's of their respective corps within the alliance.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#7 - 2013-03-26 16:01:30 UTC
only thing available to alliance members is ME/PE research slots. And then, only if the ME/PE research doesn't need any additional items.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
asteroidjas
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#8 - 2013-03-26 16:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: asteroidjas
Again, if this has never been possible, and never intended, then why did CCP put the "alliance" option in the "View and Take" fields of the Corp Hanger at a POS.???


edit,
Krix, didn't see your first post, good to know it has never functioned as apparently intended....
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#9 - 2013-03-26 16:11:14 UTC
asteroidjas wrote:
Again, if this has never been possible, and never intended, then why did CCP put the "alliance" option in the "View and Take" fields of the Corp Hanger at a POS.???


edit,
Krix, didn't see your first post, good to know it has never functioned as apparently intended....



You will have to ask CCP.

Here is the latest thing said Saturday by a Dev at PAXEast:

"CCP Dolan told us how the POS code was constructed, in very loose terms. CCP is somewhat forgiven for their lack of progress on it, it sounds like staring into the unblinking eye of an Elder God, fueled by drunken Icelandic programmers. He discussed it as an inverted pyramid and the top of it was rat AI, better known to us as Skynet. Yes, the POS runs on the same NPC AI as pirates and faction police. I s*** you f****** not."

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2013/03/revealed-at-pax-east.html

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
asteroidjas
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#10 - 2013-03-26 16:17:04 UTC  |  Edited by: asteroidjas
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Yes, the POS runs on the same NPC AI as pirates and faction police. I s*** you f****** not."


Explains alot. Thank you for the info
Tandin
Cascadia Shipyards
#11 - 2013-03-26 16:28:53 UTC
asteroidjas wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Yes, the POS runs on the same NPC AI as pirates and faction police. I s*** you f****** not."


Explains alot. Thank you for the info


Actually, given the bizarre way POS weapons aggro it does explain a lot.
Danny Centauri
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-03-26 17:22:28 UTC
Lets just hope its one of the things fixed with the little tweaks coming for POS's in Odyssey, with any luck CCP will centralise all material storage in POS's too whilst they are at it, moving things between component arrays is a pain in the ass.

EVE Manufacturing Guide - Simple guides to manufacturing in EVE for both beginners and more experienced players.
asteroidjas
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#13 - 2013-03-26 17:30:47 UTC
Danny Centauri wrote:
Lets just hope its one of the things fixed with the little tweaks coming for POS's in Odyssey, with any luck CCP will centralise all material storage in POS's too whilst they are at it, moving things between component arrays is a pain in the ass.

I think we'll be lucky to get the access stuff hammered out at this stage. The materials portion will likely have to wait until they do the full overhaul...
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2013-03-26 17:50:13 UTC
Alliance members can use the fitting service of a Ship Maintenance Array.

You have to enable the array for alliance use from the tower structures menu.

Like all things POS related, it doesn't always work right though.
asteroidjas
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#15 - 2013-03-26 20:12:27 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Alliance members can use the fitting service of a Ship Maintenance Array.

You have to enable the array for alliance use from the tower structures menu.


Dang, if only i'd....oh wait...whats this...

asteroidjas wrote:
...However, after setting the arrays to "Alliance" for "Take & View"...



Oh yeah, the first thing i did was set the permissions from the Towers Manage screen....but thanks for trying...?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#16 - 2013-03-26 21:07:37 UTC
asteroidjas wrote:
Oh yeah, the first thing i did was set the permissions from the Towers Manage screen....but thanks for trying...?

Can't check at the moment, but I seem to recall the SMA having "USE" setting. That's for the fitting service.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#17 - 2013-03-27 19:52:10 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
It probably was intended to be possible at some point.

What you have to remember is that POSes have been largely untouched since they were developed ~10 years ago.


Look up some of the hand-wringing CCP was doing when they converted POSes to using a different type of fuel.


That's not to say the code is bad because it's old. It's bad because of the constraints it was designed under. Constraints like the one that lead to the great Moon Goo dupeing exploit. (Hey, I have a great idea, let's save some CPU and not check if the input can has anything to input before adding to the output can.)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon