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CCP, any updates on the hangar with ship spinning ?

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Sentinella
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-09-07 08:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentinella
I hate the captain's quarters and I am using "the door" but it's really bad. When will you put back the old hangar view ? It's been some time now, any ETA ?


EDIT: CCP Prism was very kind to try to find out an answer to my question:
CCP Prism X wrote:
Please keep in mind that I'm a Database Developer not a Project Manager. But I did go around and poke some people who wield more power than just telling people off because their queries aren't seekable.

Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.".
I know, I didn't tell you anything new. Cry

But believe me, the people I spoke to seemed to understand the priority of this. They themselves will give you more concrete information as soon as they can, we all understand that the answer I just gave you isn't satisfactory, but it is the best I can give you.

The reason for this being the best I can provide is that we are currently in the middle of a planning phase. Everything is up in the air and mutable at this point so promises aren't a current possibility. All I can really do is assure you that we're not ignoring the issue nor do we intend to bury it and hopefully the final plans will start to emerge soon and we can actually give you some insight into them.
AnzacPaul
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2011-09-07 08:36:34 UTC
Never, as far as I know.

We were promised an environment "similar to the pre-incarna" but I highly doubt it's actually ever coming and CCP are instead finding ways to lower the reqs for CQ as fast as possible so they can force CQ upon everyone, in the hope nex sales will pick up.

But that's me with my tinfoil, i'm sure there will be plenty of people that will tell you why there is no need for an option to CQ, and why you should have to load your avatar every time you dock for ammo.....
Sentinella
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-09-07 08:41:19 UTC
AnzacPaul wrote:
But that's me with my tinfoil, i'm sure there will be plenty of people that will tell you why there is no need for an option to CQ, and why you should have to load your avatar every time you dock for ammo.....


I hope this does not happen, I don't want this thread to become another debate about incarna. Some people like it, some don't, there are a lot of threads discussing it already.

Personally I prefer the old hangar view and , since 2 months ago CCP said that an environment with same functionality as the old hangar would be introduced, I would like to know the ETA for that.
El'Niaga
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-09-07 08:45:28 UTC
They told us what we wanted to hear, I doubt anyone has actually been assigned to work on this, it is probably low priority for CCP management.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#5 - 2011-09-07 08:53:19 UTC
They also said:
Quote:
and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance.


So if they get performance back before they release the new environment, then they would never need to release it.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Sentinella
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-09-07 09:21:35 UTC
Mag's wrote:
They also said:
Quote:
and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance.


So if they get performance back before they release the new environment, then they would never need to release it.


Well the statement starts with "environment will be available" and at the moment it is not, so the later part of the statement does not apply. For a feature to be available "until" something happens, that feature has to exist first.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#7 - 2011-09-07 09:30:13 UTC
If its obsolete before they put it is, its fait accompli and the don't have to bother with the dev resources, so they can just keep those devs working on GlitterVamp2000.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#8 - 2011-09-07 09:34:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Sentinella wrote:
Mag's wrote:
They also said:
Quote:
and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance.


So if they get performance back before they release the new environment, then they would never need to release it.


Well the statement starts with "environment will be available" and at the moment it is not, so the later part of the statement does not apply. For a feature to be available "until" something happens, that feature has to exist first.
As Tallian Saotome said, if they get performance to be 'similar' to pre-incarne, it's a fait accompli.

Let me put it this way, which are they going to put more effort into, performance of incarna their flagship new content, or a temp replacement hanger?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Miklas Laces
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-09-07 09:43:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Miklas Laces
If you think about it for a second you will realize that the following statements are not equivalent:

"It will be available until condition x"

"It will be available unless condition x"

If you have trouble understanding the difference between those two sentences then I really have no interest in this discussion.

CCP said that the new environment will be released and I have no reason not to believe them (lol), so what's the ETA ?
Miklas Laces
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-09-07 09:44:15 UTC
--double post
Mag's
Azn Empire
#11 - 2011-09-07 09:54:03 UTC
Miklas Laces wrote:
If you think about it for a second you will realize that the following statements are not equivalent:

"It will be available until condition x"

"It will be available unless condition x"

If you have trouble understanding the difference between those two sentences then I really have no interest in this discussion.

CCP said that the new environment will be released and I have no reason not to believe them (lol), so what's the ETA ?
I have no problem understanding the difference at all. But you seem to think that if the 'until' condition is reached before release, they would still release them. I'm pointing out they most likely wouldn't.

Why do you think they worded it the way they did?

They want to force players into Incarna and if they can improve performance first, then they can remove the need for a temp replacement hanger.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Sentinella
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-09-07 09:57:15 UTC
Mag's wrote:
have no problem understanding the difference at all.

LolLolLolLol
Tabatha Ravenclaw
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-09-07 09:57:25 UTC
Miklas Laces wrote:
If you think about it for a second you will realize that the following statements are not equivalent:

"It will be available until condition x"

"It will be available unless condition x"

If you have trouble understanding the difference between those two sentences then I really have no interest in this discussion.

CCP said that the new environment will be released and I have no reason not to believe them (lol), so what's the ETA ?



It's not like CCP have ever mislead us before
Sentinella
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-09-07 10:18:43 UTC
Tabatha Ravenclaw wrote:
It's not like CCP have ever mislead us before


In the past they used to communicate with the players a lot, now the chances of CCP actually answering the simple question asked in this thread are next to zero.

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#15 - 2011-09-07 10:25:03 UTC
Just as soon as they've finished making the forums so crap that nobody can be bothered to use them (thus saving them from a public facing catalogue of fail).
Tabatha Ravenclaw
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-09-07 10:25:21 UTC
Sentinella wrote:
Tabatha Ravenclaw wrote:
It's not like CCP have ever mislead us before


In the past they used to communicate with the players a lot, now the chances of CCP actually answering the simple question asked in this thread are next to zero.


About the same chance of them replying to this question as there was in the old forum threads about it.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#17 - 2011-09-07 10:49:58 UTC
maybe apart from a couple of dev's and maybe the PR department, is anyone actually working on eve at ccp?

as much as i miss the functionality of the old hanger view, i have no doubt we will not get it back. along with the old cyno effects these two things have broken my personnal immursion, but hey we can buy crap for nex now woooot

OMG when can i get a pic here
Mag's
Azn Empire
#18 - 2011-09-07 11:04:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Sentinella wrote:
Mag's wrote:
have no problem understanding the difference at all.

LolLolLolLol
That's a great inanimate argument you have there but pray tell, why would they bother to release them?

After all they said available until, are you saying they would still waste Dev time on a temp hanger, even when that available until premise is met?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
CCP Prism X
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2011-09-07 11:08:47 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Prism X
Right!

Seeing as I've been trying to pull my pants up lately, and start being active on the forums again, I might as well try and be useful as well rather than just attempting to be funny (Also Sentinella poked me through EVE Mail... ok it was mostly that Blink). Please keep in mind that I'm a Database Developer not a Project Manager. But I did go around and poke some people who wield more power than just telling people off because their queries aren't seekable.

Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.".
I know, I didn't tell you anything new. Cry

But believe me, the people I spoke to seemed to understand the priority of this. They themselves will give you more concrete information as soon as they can, we all understand that the answer I just gave you isn't satisfactory, but it is the best I can give you.

The reason for this being the best I can provide is that we are currently in the middle of a planning phase. Everything is up in the air and mutable at this point so promises aren't a current possibility. All I can really do is assure you that we're not ignoring the issue nor do we intend to bury it and hopefully the final plans will start to emerge soon and we can actually give you some insight into them.

Also, I'm selling T2 Rock blueprints over in Ami. They're great for throwing back at me! Blink

P.S. Ignore my signature in this case. I'm actually trying to be helpful and informative.

CCP Prism X

Programmer on Team Gridlock & Expert Ranter
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#20 - 2011-09-07 11:11:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
CCP Prism X wrote:


Seeing as I've been trying to pull my pants up lately,

CCP Prism X wrote:

Also Sentinella poked me

CCP Prism X wrote:

But I did go around and poke some people


So this is whats going on at CCPs offices. Alot of pantless poking.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
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