Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I did a quick search and did not see a topic on this, so here it is.

For a while now i've noticed there are an AWFUL lot of T2 modules that are worse than their Meta 4's. T2 jams being one off the top of my head. The have the same stats, but the T2 inherently takes more CPU.

There are many more like it, where the Meta 4 is cheaper, and better in every way that the T2. Is this intended? If so what is the reason?

You (CCP) recently (finally!!!) fixed the T2 Armor Plates in this regard. Can you please look into the others that are useless compared to their Meta 4 counterparts?

This is so simple to fix- remove meta 4 drops from hisec and null, and add them to lowsec belt and anomaly rats.

Some of them still are...look at guns, damage controls, warp disruptors/scramblers, webs,missile launchers.
The reason that the ecm modules are cheaper, as the OP is saying, is that are few people flying specialized ecm boats thus reducing the demand of ecm modules thus reducing the price.
other reason is for ecm modules to really be effective u need to train them to level 4 to open up the skills to increase their power but at the same time it opens the t2 variants as well.

Yeah they might do with another look at drop rates.

I think I have seen more than a few Meta 1 and 2 items actually going for less than their T1 counterparts, but I haven't looked that close when I can easily afford almost anything in at least Meta 3. As Void says, the balancing factor used to be cost. While there were a few T2 items with better stants, and weapons have the advantage of T2 ammo and a second damage confusing skill even if you use T1 ammo, for the most part Meta 4 has always been better than T2 sometimes Meta 3, but it was too costly to casually fit everything with a bunch of Meta 3 and 4, and if you weren't rolling in cash, you only bought it when you were at your fitting limits or the 1% better stats were absolutely critical to your fit.

If they lower the drop rate again, so supply and demand raises the prices, the problem should sort itself.

Only relative to T1 modules, not T2 modules.

Unlike many of the meta 4's, the meta 3's are inferior to T2 modules. So, there is never any reason you'd use a meta 3 instead of a T2 or meta 4.

It's depending on price, I'd say. If you move meta 4 into lowsec, the carebears like me WILL NOT rush there to farm them. Instead they will start farming something else. And again there will be bittervets crying "X-this or Y-that has prices out of whack".

Okay, this way it wil work as intended. Anyway as you and Roime intended. Though I don't agree that this would be proper course of action. Read below.


I fail to see what actual problem this solution is addressing. That meta4 are cheaper than tech2 and better at the same time?

First, it's the matter of modules balance. In my opinion the pathology is that meta4 are better, not that they are cheaper. Higher metas are supposed to be better. OK devs don't have time to balance each toy in game, but this proposal is correcting one wrong with another wrong.

Second, what is your problem with that meta4 are cheaper?

T1 made by players
T2 made by players
Meta 2 made by players as a variation of T1
Meta 3 dropped in Wormhole and Null sec
Meta 4 dropped in Low Sec


OR

Made all Meta's created by players
Have NPC's drop components that are needed for Meta manufacturing