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[LOAN] 6B ISK @ 10% - 3 Weeks (Chance for more)

Author
Thomas Bakhtin
Twilight Industries Inc.
#1 - 2011-10-30 09:30:30 UTC
Investment Opportunity

ISK Required: 6B
Repayment: 3 weeks (starting from set date)
Pay to: Thomas Bakhtin
Additional Info: Please make sure you send a detailed in-game mail to Thomas Bakhtin indicating investment amount + date/time sent


Investment Details

Supercap production, specifically Nyx. 3 separate buyers have been confirmed, each Nyx sold circa 15B. Production cost just below 12B. 6B raised from corp mates/own assets.

Although 3 buyers have been confirmed this initial investment request has been kept to the first Nyx as, quite obviously, this is a first time loan request therefore we expect some cynicism. As much capital has been raised internally as possible. If you are interested in investing in the other 2 Nyx sales then please send Thomas Bakhtin an in-game mail.


Repayment Details

Repayment will be done on completion of the in-game sale. In-game sale will be done once Nyx has been constructed. Build costs for Nyx is less than 12B - mostly due to in-game benefits, explained below - putting profit @ 3B (the few extra ISK leftover is being divvied out to non-named contributors of fuel, contacts etc).

Nyx construction will take approximately 3 weeks, in-game sale will be completed within approximately 2-3 days of construction completion therefore repayments will be made in just over 3 weeks from the moment production is started.

Payment will be initial investment + 10% and, as I like rounded numbers, a bonus of 400,000,000.00 will be paid out as follows: if the majority investment is 4B+ said investor will get entire bonus, however if the investment is made primarily of smaller payments then the bonus will be paid out equally between all investors. Potential for 1B repayment on 6B loan.


Further Investment

If interested in further investment: terms can be negotiated on the remaining 2 sales - note: we have the capability to build 2 x Nyx simultaneously, so if investing for all 3 then first repayment will be done after 3 weeks with final repayment after 6 weeks. To discuss and negotiate these terms please initially mail Thomas Bakhtin in-game.

On top of this please look for our other investment post with regards to an ice mining opportunity.


Investees

We are an entity living in nullsec that is left to its own devices. We have no overheads (we are not renters etc). Due to our alliance, and coalition, we are keeping our true identity secret. The reason for this is simple; we are not currently at the level to produce Nyx for a low enough amount to make a reasonable amount of profit if sold to blues - which is completely mandatory. We therefore have sourced customers outside of our zone of influence, those who have no other options but to buy @ higher prices, thereby making us more profit but obviously putting us at risk for breaking alliance / coalition rules. Therefore all ISK transfers, in-game communications etc will be done through Thomas Bakhtin.

Our entity is resourceful in that as one big community we have worked together in attaining the assets we have, included of which are several Nyx BPC's + 2 x sets of capital ship component BPO's. The ISK for these assets came from the building and selling of capital ships, more specifically Moros + Thanatos.

Our aim is to increase our profitability on Nyx production.


Thanks to everyone who shows an interest in this venture, and a special thanks to those who have already invested who, unfortunately, have to remain anonymous.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-10-30 09:51:38 UTC
Thomas Bakhtin wrote:
We are an entity living in nullsec that is left to its own devices. We have no overheads (we are not renters etc). Due to our alliance, and coalition, we are keeping our true identity secret. The reason for this is simple; we are not currently at the level to produce Nyx for a low enough amount to make a reasonable amount of profit if sold to blues - which is completely mandatory. We therefore have sourced customers outside of our zone of influence, those who have no other options but to buy @ higher prices, thereby making us more profit but obviously putting us at risk for breaking alliance / coalition rules.

Anyone who invests in this is an idiot.
Thomas Bakhtin
Twilight Industries Inc.
#3 - 2011-10-30 10:06:32 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Thomas Bakhtin wrote:
We are an entity living in nullsec that is left to its own devices. We have no overheads (we are not renters etc). Due to our alliance, and coalition, we are keeping our true identity secret. The reason for this is simple; we are not currently at the level to produce Nyx for a low enough amount to make a reasonable amount of profit if sold to blues - which is completely mandatory. We therefore have sourced customers outside of our zone of influence, those who have no other options but to buy @ higher prices, thereby making us more profit but obviously putting us at risk for breaking alliance / coalition rules.

Anyone who invests in this is an idiot.


Thank you for the response. Understand that the risk is only from revealing our identity through this investment; as mentioned in the post we are left to our own devices and for the most part rarely see any other alliance members in our systems. As it stands the risk from staying anonymous is very low.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-10-30 10:31:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Thomas Bakhtin wrote:
Thank you for the response. Understand that the risk is only from revealing our identity through this investment; as mentioned in the post we are left to our own devices and for the most part rarely see any other alliance members in our systems. As it stands the risk from staying anonymous is very low.

* we cannot assess this risk realistically - for all we know some alliance director might just need to do an API pull to find your construction jobs

* you cannot assess the risk realistically - how do you know if some traveler will take notice of the CSAAs and who he will talk to?

* detection might result in total loss of your and our investment, the two recent incidents in TEST and GSF showcase this very nicely - ever since the NC's defeat has been blamed on selling supers to neutrals/hostiles alliance leaders have become very sensitive on this topic.

* the usual issues with uncollateralized loans apply

edit: I should seriously stop making these one-liner posts as I always end up explaining my reasoning anyways.
Thomas Bakhtin
Twilight Industries Inc.
#5 - 2011-10-30 10:34:02 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Thomas Bakhtin wrote:
Thank you for the response. Understand that the risk is only from revealing our identity through this investment; as mentioned in the post we are left to our own devices and for the most part rarely see any other alliance members in our systems. As it stands the risk from staying anonymous is very low.

* we cannot assess this risk realistically - for all we know some alliance director might just need to do an API pull to find your construction jobs

* you cannot assess the risk realistically - how do you know if some traveler will take notice of the CSAAs and who he will talk to?

* detection might result in total loss of your and our investment, the two recent incidents in TEST and GSF showcase this very nicely - ever since the NC's defeat has been blamed on selling supers to neutrals/hostiles alliance leaders have become very sensitive on this topic.

* the usual issues with uncollateralized loans apply


I understand your concerns and there's little I can say to help confirm the risk is minimal, therefore anyone who decides to invest in this should note the points above.