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Scammer Warning - Memsu Aiya - Faction Ships Scam
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Kaija Asanari
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-25 19:54:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaija Asanari
New player, playing about 3 months now, and sadly I fell for an old scam. Hopefully this will be the first, and last time.

I got an EVE Mail from the player (Memsu Aiya) claiming to be moving to null, and wanting to sell a bunch of faction ships quickly. I've been doing a bit of station trading, so picking up some faction ships cheap and reselling them seemed appealing. The majority of my ISK I had earned by doing some buddy invite referrals after the Battle of Asakai, but that revenue stream has pretty much dried up, so I was working with the capital I had.

He claimed he couldn't do contracts, but I was already in the same system, so I didn't mind doing trades. I cancelled a bunch of buy orders to release the escrow, and managed to scrape up 3 Billion ISK to buy the ships.

I did a quick search on the character's name, checked around, and didn't see anything amiss. The trade looked good, faction ship names were fine. He offered to sell a few more ships quickly, but I wanted to check this trade first, so I told him to wait.

After the trade went through, I quickly saw that the ships were just the normal type, assembled, and renamed to be the faction ship name. As soon as I repackaged them, I could see that I had been scammed, and he quickly admitted it.


I had done a search on the character's name, and didn't see any posts on the forums or anywhere else. That's the reason I'm posting this thread, even though I am ashamed to have been taken in on such an obvious scam. Hopefully the next victim will do a search and run across this thread before they fall into the same mistake.

I did a few quick searches before the trade, and didn't find anything on this. Sadly I turned up a number of warnings shortly afterwards, little comfort that it is.

I'm a bit demotivated at the moment looking at how long it will take me to recouperate the loss, but I'm sure I'll get over it. I accept that this is part of EVE, and I should have been more careful, and will be in the future.
Runeme Shilter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-03-25 20:19:11 UTC
The trade window is almost exclusively used to scam. Always demand on a contract - if your trade partner is unwilling, thank him for his time and step away.
Kaija Asanari
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-03-25 20:26:44 UTC
Thanks, and noted for next time. This should have been a red flag, and now I know better.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#4 - 2013-03-25 20:38:08 UTC
I get these mails all the time. The clue is the massive amount of names randomly pulled out of local.
Unless you have had prior contact with someone, think scam.

At least OP has offered some proof of his story and learned a lesson, therefore no troll is required on my part.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Kaija Asanari
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-03-25 20:59:10 UTC
I learned quickly to ignore local, although I did enjoy clicking some of them just to read and try to figure out what the scam was. First time getting an EVE Mail like this though.
bufnitza calatoare
#6 - 2013-03-25 21:07:43 UTC  |  Edited by: bufnitza calatoare
Kaija Asanari wrote:
I learned quickly to ignore local, although I did enjoy clicking some of them just to read and try to figure out what the scam was. First time getting an EVE Mail like this though.



if I get these emails I reply back **** OFF! and I wont petition you for harassment,

next mail is usually a new throw away.

another thing you will notice about these faction ship scams is... they NEVER scam with unique hulls, such as machariel and the nightmare.
usally geddon/mega hulls.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#7 - 2013-03-25 21:17:13 UTC
Unlucky, but at least you have now learned. These scams can be avoided with the right knowledge in advance but of course with a game as complicated as Eve it's always easy to overlook something.

1. Faction tag on the top right of the ships icon.

2. right click, show info and read the actual ship description and stats.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Kaija Asanari
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-03-25 21:24:29 UTC
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
Kaija Asanari wrote:
I learned quickly to ignore local, although I did enjoy clicking some of them just to read and try to figure out what the scam was. First time getting an EVE Mail like this though.



if I get these emails I reply back **** OFF! and I wont petition you for harassment,

next mail is usually a new throw away.

another thing you will notice about these faction ship scams is... they NEVER scam with unique hulls, such as machariel and the nightmare.
usally geddon/mega hulls.


Thanks for the advice.

Actually I was thinking that turning back on the CSPA charge might be one way to avoid this? It was one of the first things I was told was to turn it off. But it would make conversations with new people more difficult. I suppose I'll leave it unless it becomes a real problem.
S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-03-25 21:33:53 UTC
Kaija Asanari wrote:

Actually I was thinking that turning back on the CSPA charge might be one way to avoid this? It was one of the first things I was told was to turn it off. But it would make conversations with new people more difficult. I suppose I'll leave it unless it becomes a real problem.

You normally only get these type of mails in high sec (it's a terrible place really) - just set your CSPA charge to 1million isk when in high sec and turn it off when in low or null.
Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-03-25 21:41:49 UTC
S'Way wrote:
Kaija Asanari wrote:

Actually I was thinking that turning back on the CSPA charge might be one way to avoid this? It was one of the first things I was told was to turn it off. But it would make conversations with new people more difficult. I suppose I'll leave it unless it becomes a real problem.

You normally only get these type of mails in high sec (it's a terrible place really) - just set your CSPA charge to 1million isk when in high sec and turn it off when in low or null.

Keep in mind that a high CSPA charge might scare off potential suitors / romancers from sending that initial introduction.

Black Man with Goggles
Norm Tempesta
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-03-25 21:49:59 UTC
Singeabooty Raj wrote:
S'Way wrote:
Kaija Asanari wrote:

Actually I was thinking that turning back on the CSPA charge might be one way to avoid this? It was one of the first things I was told was to turn it off. But it would make conversations with new people more difficult. I suppose I'll leave it unless it becomes a real problem.

You normally only get these type of mails in high sec (it's a terrible place really) - just set your CSPA charge to 1million isk when in high sec and turn it off when in low or null.

Keep in mind that a high CSPA charge might scare off potential suitors / romancers from sending that initial introduction.


A real suitor would happily pay for a real chance at romance.

But seriously, right click show info......
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#12 - 2013-03-26 00:06:11 UTC
I hate all of these scammers bringing a bad reputation to my fair system of Jita.

It surprises me no one has yet to offer to make you whole.

See my bio and if you can comprehend the rules, you stand to profit.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Tera iG
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#13 - 2013-03-26 04:59:42 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
I hate all of these scammers bringing a bad reputation to my fair system of Jita.

It surprises me no one has yet to offer to make you whole.

See my bio and if you can comprehend the rules, you stand to profit.


you scammed me for 300 mill and i have the wallet trans to prove it


Proof you scammed me
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-03-26 07:50:14 UTC
Tera iG wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I hate all of these scammers bringing a bad reputation to my fair system of Jita.

It surprises me no one has yet to offer to make you whole.

See my bio and if you can comprehend the rules, you stand to profit.


you scammed me for 300 mill and i have the wallet trans to prove it


Proof you scammed me


Welcome to eve... if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-03-26 12:04:04 UTC
Tera iG wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I hate all of these scammers bringing a bad reputation to my fair system of Jita.

It surprises me no one has yet to offer to make you whole.

See my bio and if you can comprehend the rules, you stand to profit.


you scammed me for 300 mill and i have the wallet trans to prove it


Proof you scammed me


I see no evidence of a scam.

It's comical when people willingly right click and transfer isk to another persons wallet and then claim the recipient to be a thief given how the isk ended up there in the first place.

Black Man with Goggles
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#16 - 2013-03-26 12:30:38 UTC
Kaija Asanari wrote:
I learned quickly to ignore local, although I did enjoy clicking some of them just to read and try to figure out what the scam was. First time getting an EVE Mail like this though.


I do the same thing when I have to go pick up stuff in Jita....

I think all noobs starting the game should spend a short while in Jita looking at everything linked in local to work out what the scam is.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
c4binfever
The Junk Committee
#17 - 2013-03-26 12:49:59 UTC
i also fell for this scam in my early days, i lost 30 million or so on a 'so called' cheap navy dominix.

Dont let it get to you and know you're not the only one to fall for this

<--dotbot